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UK households could face VPN 'ban' after use skyrockets following Online Safety Bill

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    Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

    "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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    Reddit already tried to block VPN users.

    Expect the corpos to bend the knee.

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    • illecors@lemmy.cafeI [email protected]

      Possible? Yes. Probable? No. LTE would work wonderfully for such usecase, but the firmware to it is never shared. Wifi would work theoretically, but the distance would get in a way. Bandwidth would go down all the way to a rounding error.

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      Could limited bandwidth perhaps be transmitted via ham radios?

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        just do what the chinese do to get around thier great wall. use proxies and anti-detect browsers, its the next step after VPN.. you might want to look around how to set these up.

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        Proxy is a step below VPN since it doesn't tunnelise data.

        Anti-detect browsers. Do you mean Tor? It's a decent solution, albeit the slowest one.

        What people use to bypass the great Chinese firewall is VPN with VLESS protocols. Unlike usual VPN protocols, those are specifically made to bypass censorship.

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          Could limited bandwidth perhaps be transmitted via ham radios?

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          IP over ham radio is a thing, so yes. Wouldn't be very fast mind you.

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            Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

            "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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            Can't wait for the next election to kick out the Tories so can roll back all their draconian bills.

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              Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

              "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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              How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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              • muusemuuse@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                If only I could start my own business….

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                become a sole trader with no assets, no expenses but still a business. Sorted!

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                  Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                  "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                  Turning into China, aren't we?

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                    Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                    "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                    I don't think it's even possible to get rid of VPNs without outright banning encryption. If I set up a VPN that uses an obscure port and the traffic is encrypted, how are they going to know it's even a VPN?

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                      Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                      "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                      after reports in Guido Fawkes suggested it was possible.

                      That's the only source? A far-right conspiracy website?

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                      • theorionarm@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                        How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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                        It isn't. And the only source in the article is that a far-right conspiracy theory site said they're considering it.

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                          Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                          "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                          The linked story has been updated. The headline now reads:

                          Labour rules out VPN ban in UK but issues warning to UK households

                          Labour won't ban the use of Virtual Private Networks

                          And the story begins:

                          Labour has ruled out a possible VPN ban after reports thousands of UK households were at risk following the Online Safety Act kicking in under the government. Labour Party Tech Secretary Peter Kyle has revealed that the Government is "not considering a VPN ban" - after reports in Guido Fawkes suggested it was possible.

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                            They couldn't switch off VPNs for businesses. I work in a hospital and we use VPNs to create secure tunnels to other third party health care companies as well as NHS adjacent health services amongst other things. This is to protect patient sensitive data amongst other things. This would cripple our service and go against NHS england and government requirements for the secure transfer and sharing of data.

                            This would have to be public VPNs only. Despite the fact that it would be complete bullshit either way.

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                            This is to protect patient sensitive data amongst other things.

                            Its 2025, we no longer need such silly things. Don't worry, its for the greater good.

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                              Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                              "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                              Even the CCP can't stop VPNs... good luck UK

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                                There are ways around this even if they do ban vpn. Its a hopeless battle being fought by the ignorant.

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                                They will use it as an excuse to give themselves more power and to take more civil liberties from you.

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                                  (NOTE: Any links to politician tweets in this comment are from Nitter mirrors, not direct links to Elon Musk's nazi bar.)

                                  The Technology Secretary, Peter Kyle, pretty much called Nigel Farage a paedophile in a news network interview earlier today because he opposed the Online Safety Act, by saying he's on the side of sex offenders like Jimmy Savile.

                                  He then went to Twitter and doubled-down on this stance:

                                  If you want to overturn the Online Safety Act you are on the side of predators. It is as simple as that.

                                  This of course generated a lot of fury among the site's users.

                                  For context, the Online Safety Act has been used to censor and age-gate anything and everything deemed "illegal content" under Ofcom guidelines. Any social media platforms must comply, else risk getting fined up to 10% of your annual global revenue. This is so broadly worded that it includes anything related to illegal immigration and people-smuggling (literally quoted in the GOV.UK page I linked.)

                                  Twitter had genuinely been forced to censor all coverage around anti-asylum seeker protests behind age verification requirements, which has riled up a lot of right-wing politicians here. The reason for these protests is that the previous (Conservative) government had been paying exorbitant amounts of money to house asylum seekers in hotels, effectively lining the pockets of hotel chain executives - all while we deal with a massive housing and cost of living crisis.

                                  This was meant to be a measure to give asylum seekers temporary accommodation which was put in place at the start of COVID, but has been government policy since 2020 with no end in sight.

                                  Labour have also done jack-shit to resolve our skyrocketed (legal) immigration levels since they got into power, except for scrapping the Rwanda Deal which would have deported any illegal migrants to a third country for processing (which as the name obviously suggests, is the East African state of Rwanda.)

                                  Zia Yusuf (head of Reform's DOGE division, yes they're ripping off Trump and Elon Musk) had this to say about the OSA on Twitter:

                                  Britain is now a country which you can enter illegally without ID, but need photo ID to watch a protest against people entering without ID.

                                  Let that sink in.

                                  Labour have fucked up so catastrophically hard with how they've handled this legislation, that they've straight-up generated bipartisan sympathy for the leaders of a right-wing populist party - who are the only political force that have vowed to repeal the legislation because it is being used for mass surveillance and censorship.

                                  Also, if you're thinking of voting Reform UK in 2029 (and it has honestly crossed my mind because age verification checks are a major sticking point for me), then you should take the pledges from Nigel Farage and Zia Yusuf with a grain of salt. Richard Tice (the party's deputy leader) openly tweeted support for pushing through mandatory ID checks on social media four years ago.

                                  If Labour don't get rid of Keir Starmer, do a full cabinet reshuffle and reverse course, we are going to see a Reform landslide in the next election...

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                                  i don't trust a hair on Farage's little head lol

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                                    It does feel that way. UK bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig stunting it's own commonwealth.

                                    Next someone will try enforcing paper umbrellas as a solution for climate action. We'll all say, "That won't work". They'll still do it; it won't work. We'll say, "We told you so", and it won't get reversed because they're already aiming at the next foot to shoot.

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                                    UK Bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig

                                    He tries his best...

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                                    • theorionarm@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                      How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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                                      Probably force an insecure or outdated protocol and market it as “top of the line”.

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                                        There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[4][5][6] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.

                                        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

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                                        As an American, it always made me laugh when we made fun of China's "Social Credit Score" when we literally have one already that determines whether we can buy houses/cars/etc lol

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                                          How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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                                          They just can't stand not being able to control people.

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