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UK households could face VPN 'ban' after use skyrockets following Online Safety Bill

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  • S [email protected]

    It does feel that way. UK bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig stunting it's own commonwealth.

    Next someone will try enforcing paper umbrellas as a solution for climate action. We'll all say, "That won't work". They'll still do it; it won't work. We'll say, "We told you so", and it won't get reversed because they're already aiming at the next foot to shoot.

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    UK Bureaucracy is just one giant guinea pig

    He tries his best...

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    • theorionarm@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

      How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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      Probably force an insecure or outdated protocol and market it as “top of the line”.

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        There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[4][5][6] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

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        As an American, it always made me laugh when we made fun of China's "Social Credit Score" when we literally have one already that determines whether we can buy houses/cars/etc lol

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        • theorionarm@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

          How is this even feasible? People need them for work, business, school etc. The UK is going nuts with the attempts to regulate the internet.

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          They just can't stand not being able to control people.

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            I don't think it's even possible to get rid of VPNs without outright banning encryption. If I set up a VPN that uses an obscure port and the traffic is encrypted, how are they going to know it's even a VPN?

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            Traffic patterns. There's always ways to tell.

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              Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

              "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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              If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems

              Your law is the difficult problem you daft cunt

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              • rob_t_firefly@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                The linked story has been updated. The headline now reads:

                Labour rules out VPN ban in UK but issues warning to UK households

                Labour won't ban the use of Virtual Private Networks

                And the story begins:

                Labour has ruled out a possible VPN ban after reports thousands of UK households were at risk following the Online Safety Act kicking in under the government. Labour Party Tech Secretary Peter Kyle has revealed that the Government is "not considering a VPN ban" - after reports in Guido Fawkes suggested it was possible.

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                This shows that this bill has shit all to do with the protection of children, it's just again the over reach of religious zealots

                Can we please ban religions instead? This would ACTUALLY protect minors and just in general make the world such a better and more beautiful place.

                Convert churches into museums for art and displaying the horrors of religion

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                  Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                  "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                  I though the UK was a Western democracy. What the hell are you guys doing over there?

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                    Even the CCP can't stop VPNs... good luck UK

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                    The more you try to stop them, the better their business gets, heh.

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                      Even the CCP can't stop VPNs... good luck UK

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                      Most conventional VPNs, e.g. OpenVPN, WireGuard, AnyConnect, PPTP/L2TP, IKEv2/IPsec, etc., actually don't work in China. Technology-wise GFW is quite sophisticated and conventional VPNs are not designed for censorship circumvention anyway.

                      You'll have to use things like Shadowsocks or V2Ray, which is out of the reach of most people.

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                      • aussiemandeus@aussie.zoneA [email protected]

                        Yeah I'm Australia we have just decided to ban all social media for people under 16, i think it's great honestly because screw from insta etc but I don't think it's the government ls job to prevent kids from using social media.

                        I really think it's a way to force adults to register their id to accounts not about protecting kids.

                        Parents should monitor what their kids are doing not the government

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                        Parents should monitor what their kids are doing not the government

                        While I agree wholeheartedly with this, it's often not that easy.

                        Back in the days of 28.8 modems my parents found my little bro's downloaded porn stash. It was in a Zip disk in his underwear drawer. They then locked down both of our AOL accounts so we couldn't see that stuff.

                        I thought this was bullshit because I kept my Zip disk full of porn next to all the other ones and labeled it "Homework." Why should I get punished if I didn't get caught?

                        So I downloaded a keylogger, stole my dad's password, and unlocked my account and continued to download porn.

                        However, I don't think government regulation would have worked in my case.

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                          "Stop defending yourself, and let me hit you" vibes.

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                          Do not retaliate and you will be rewarded

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                            Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                            "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                            Labour has already spoken out and said they will make no attempts to ban VPNs.

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                              Prominent backbench MP Sarah Champion launched a campaign against VPNs previously, saying: “My new clause 54 would require the Secretary of State to publish, within six months of the Bill’s passage, a report on the effect of VPN use on Ofcom’s ability to enforce the requirements under clause 112.

                              "If VPNs cause significant issues, the Government must identify those issues and find solutions, rather than avoiding difficult problems.” And the Labour Party said there were “gaps” in the bill that needed to be amended.

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                              Download Tor, Whonix & Tails

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                              • P [email protected]

                                This shows that this bill has shit all to do with the protection of children, it's just again the over reach of religious zealots

                                Can we please ban religions instead? This would ACTUALLY protect minors and just in general make the world such a better and more beautiful place.

                                Convert churches into museums for art and displaying the horrors of religion

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                                Convert churches into museums for art and displaying the horrors of religion

                                Not all of them have pretty art. Just turn the boring looking ones into secular club houses or even just regular housing.

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                                  I don't think it's even possible to get rid of VPNs without outright banning encryption. If I set up a VPN that uses an obscure port and the traffic is encrypted, how are they going to know it's even a VPN?

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                                  They're going to know it's VPN fairly easily because it's fairly obvious what you're doing when all or most of your traffic is encrypted and is directed at one or two addresses. Even more obvious if those one or two addresses happen to belong to known VPN or VPS providers or something.

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                                  • inkrifle@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                                    Labour has already spoken out and said they will make no attempts to ban VPNs.

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                                    This makes me feel like they were in a bind here. The so called "online safety bill" was a tory concoction that took years to pass through the courts because of how invasive it is and how anyone could easily bypass it.

                                    If labour want to stop it, they'll be accused of not wanting to protect children.

                                    Whatever anyone thinks of labour, I'd ask people to ask themselves, if you were in that position, what option do they have other than to let it play out as the spectacular failure it was always going to be and making sure everyone knows who's fault that was afterwards?

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                                      Now if only Trumpism would have shut down extremist right wing idiology globally.

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                                      Trumpism is still in progress, maybe...

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                                        Labour has already spoken out and said they will make no attempts to ban VPNs.

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                                        I doubt their corpo overlords would allow a VPN ban considering the amount of companies that use them.

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                                          Trumpism is still in progress, maybe...

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                                          It should have died when he tried to coup the US government after he lost the 2020 election.

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