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    this isn't a shitpost this community is being dragged through the mud by non-shitposts

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    Actually, it's a a bit of a shitpost. Anything after the '?' is an argument for the html request. Can and is used for tracking, but is also used for website functionality.

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      There are URL shortener Apps on F-Droid. Simple share the link to this app and get a short link without this privacy mess.

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      Are you talking about this app?

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      • K [email protected]

        If you're still using firefox, right click -> copy clean link. works most of the time.

        edit: on desktop, idk if mobile supports it or not. Good suggestions below though for mobile.

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        URL Cleaner on f-droid.org is a great app too!

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          There are URL shortener Apps on F-Droid. Simple share the link to this app and get a short link without this privacy mess.

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          Make sure you choose a proper open source one, else the app might collect data as well...

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          • don@lemmy.caD [email protected]

            You all got Rick-rolled btw

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            And you just lost the game

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              So how about when a link is shared on Lemmy or Reddit or FB? Do the latter strip out the identifiers, or does that one person's reshared post associate them with the clicks of thousands of others?

              For web links, they'd also be able to find the source from the referrer tags etc

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              Lemmy removes these (source: i wrote that code)

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                Actually, it's a a bit of a shitpost. Anything after the '?' is an argument for the html request. Can and is used for tracking, but is also used for website functionality.

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                IMO, any developer who uses URL parameters for required functionality is short sighted. They should use the path as required parameters.

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                  I usually change the parameters to things like utm_source=yourmom, just for kicks.

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                    On iOS / iPadOS , you can use a Siri Shortcut called Clean URLs.

                    Just share the URL with the shortcut, through the share sheet option, and your clean url is automatically copied into the clipboard.

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                      It’s not always nefarious.

                      I work for a non-profit. Sometimes it’s helpful to understand the click rate on a mass message.

                      We don’t provide data to third parties and use a self-hosted oss analytics platform.

                      So I think folks should understand tracking and manage it but it’s not all bad. Just almost always bad. Really bad.

                      Worse: a lot of links can’t be fixed or modified since they use click-through services to obscure the destination.

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                        Not everything after the ? can be removed. Obvious and well known example, YouTube videos use the video as part of the query parameters (on non shortened URLs). https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

                        One small error on an otherwise very useful post! 💜

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                        • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

                          Not everything after the ? can be removed. Obvious and well known example, YouTube videos use the video as part of the query parameters (on non shortened URLs). https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

                          One small error on an otherwise very useful post! 💜

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                          I judge people based on whether they can understand youtube (which you should be changing to invidious or something else anyway) urls. It's a useful and very short way to see if people have ever paid attention to repeated patterns. The moment I saw the t=XYs, I was amazed.

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                            PSA if you are worried about link parameters giving away where you came from, you should really be worried about HTTP Referrer headers, which are of course turned on by default in most browsers. Be advised turning them off may break some (parts of) certain websites, but most still work fine in my experience.

                            In Firefox go to about:config page and set network.http.sendRefererHeader to 0.

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                              Add made up data to those parameters. Like source=ericsschmidtspedoisland

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                              • jackbydev@programming.devJ [email protected]

                                Not everything after the ? can be removed. Obvious and well known example, YouTube videos use the video as part of the query parameters (on non shortened URLs). https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

                                One small error on an otherwise very useful post! 💜

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                                Fun fact, YouTube has backwards comparability for its video links, so https://youtube.com/w/dQw4w9WgXcQ will go to the same video (granted, it will change format to the up to date one, but it is one way to go to a yt video without URL arguments)

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                                  PSA if you are worried about link parameters giving away where you came from, you should really be worried about HTTP Referrer headers, which are of course turned on by default in most browsers. Be advised turning them off may break some (parts of) certain websites, but most still work fine in my experience.

                                  In Firefox go to about:config page and set network.http.sendRefererHeader to 0.

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                                  Or change them to 127.0.0.1 and get rid of some web app firewalls and restrictions

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                                    It’s not always nefarious.

                                    I work for a non-profit. Sometimes it’s helpful to understand the click rate on a mass message.

                                    We don’t provide data to third parties and use a self-hosted oss analytics platform.

                                    So I think folks should understand tracking and manage it but it’s not all bad. Just almost always bad. Really bad.

                                    Worse: a lot of links can’t be fixed or modified since they use click-through services to obscure the destination.

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                                    I'm a web developer in a marketing department and agreed UTM tags aren't really nefarious. We generally use them to track campaigns, and to see the effectiveness of our paid campaigns. (As in how much of a return on investment did we have, are people continuing to traverse the site after hitting the landing page, etc) That said those codes generally don't give us any info about the user other than what parts of the site you are hitting, (which we can find out through other means anyway). There are tools out there which can give us a creepy amount of data about the users on the site, but UTMs aren't it.

                                    Removing them when sending out links is good practice as you probably only really need a fraction of the characters in order to get to the site, so your links are cleaner, you look like less of an idiot, and ironically marketers will end up having cleaner data (I doubt you care about this, but it's true.)

                                    That said, if you really want to prevent sites from getting your data when browsing turning off JavaScript in your browser would probably have the biggest impact.

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                                    • dan@upvote.auD [email protected]

                                      This is kinda true but also kinda fear mongering. UTM parameters are just to track where you clicked the link from. They're usually not dynamic, and don't contain anything about you personally. The example in the screenshot utm_source=newsletter is probably added to all links in a company's newsletter email, so they can tell that people get to the page via the newsletter.

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                                      As someone who has link tracking in our business, yes, some of the stuff after the ? isn't nefarious tracking, like the utm mentioned above.

                                      All the "list-unsubscribe" options you may have noticed starting about a year ago, are actually required to be there for any company that sends out any kind of email newsletter over a certain threshold. (Lists around 5k or more)

                                      If the unsubscribe links aren't there, with the required url-encoded parameters (along with some other requirements with DNS) the email will not be delivered to any of the majors (google, yahoo/aol, hotmail, big ISPs) and we get blocked.

                                      The unsubscribe parameters are being tracked, yes, but we have to have them so we can unsubscribe you "in one click"
                                      We are not allowed to require you to sign in to unsubscribe you. (Not that we ever did that, but now there must be a one-click option.)

                                      (We used to just be two clicks to unsubscribe off an encoded link. Click -> this you? If yes, click -> you are now unsubscribed. Or sign-in and manage subscriptions without an encoded link.)

                                      Again, the point is that not all url encoded tracking is nefarious. Some of it is now required to try and minimize spam and nefarious emails.

                                      Source:
                                      https://craft.postmark-testing.com/blog/2024-gmail-yahoo-email-requirements

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                                      • gerald_eliasweb@reddthat.comG [email protected]

                                        I did not know what those were for before seeing this but I remeber seeing "source=chat_gpt" next to a link to a source in a news article and thought that it was odd.

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                                        That just means that the idiot writing the article got the link provided to them by chatgpt during their research. All it does is tell the website that you visited that you followed a link from the given source. They can aggregate the data from all visitors for metrics, to see where they lag behind in exposure. But they can't associate users to each other with this method.

                                        Unlike the "igsh" tag in instagram post/reel urls, which when opened, will immediately create a popup stating "join <user that shared the URL with you> on Instagram today!"

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                                          Fun fact, YouTube has backwards comparability for its video links, so https://youtube.com/w/dQw4w9WgXcQ will go to the same video (granted, it will change format to the up to date one, but it is one way to go to a yt video without URL arguments)

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                                          Even better: https://youtu.be/PtSGclOlVmg

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