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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds

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    Using a non government owned and controlled cloud for the government is fucking stupid no matter who owns it. It's only a slightly less bad idea to host it on a cloud owned by an EU company still has the risk of the company being compromised and hiding it for too long.

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    Using a cloud is fucking stupid no matter who does it

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      Using a cloud is fucking stupid no matter who does it

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      Probably not wrong but I doubt we go back to every government building having their own servers and the cost that comes with it so at the very least I want the actual government in charge of their hardware.

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        Never was.

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        The cloud was always a slow walk off a long pier approach to data takeover. It sickens me.

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          I have warned about this for decades ... To no avail - Sweden is TOO Microsoftified.

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          The entire world is too Microsoftified, but with the rise of flatpaks, Linux may change that.

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            As a dev I have had this workflow at a previous employer:

            I start my Windows 11 work laptop. I write emails to my coworkers on Outlook, I take notes in OneNote, I make presentations in PowerPoint. We have remote meetings on Teams.

            I use GitHub and GitHub Actions. I host packages on npm. I write my TypeScript code with VSCode with help from GitHub Copilot, the C# .NET Core code with Visual Studio.

            I login in to everything usingusing Single Sign On with Active Directory.

            And everything we make is of course run on Microsoft Azure.

            Yes, everything mentioned here is owned or maintained by Microsoft.

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              It was never safe

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                The entire world is too Microsoftified, but with the rise of flatpaks, Linux may change that.

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                Maybe this year will be the year of the Linux desktop

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                  The entire world is too Microsoftified, but with the rise of flatpaks, Linux may change that.

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                  Distros need to make working with flatpacked applications easier. It's way too hard to figure out where files are being saved or how to give apps access to the right resources. FlatSeal helps, but it's not really geared towards casual users.

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                    I have warned about this for decades ... To no avail - Sweden is TOO Microsoftified.

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                    Microshittified* FTFY

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                      It was never safe

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                      The mask is off now.

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                        There's backups of backups of everything now. I guess if the people in charge want to do it, they could security delete everything, but a random guy won't be able to, which is what happened in 1940.

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                        I really hope that's as true as you say since Trump has deleted millions of documents from government databases, tons of which contained invaluable information.

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                          As a dev I have had this workflow at a previous employer:

                          I start my Windows 11 work laptop. I write emails to my coworkers on Outlook, I take notes in OneNote, I make presentations in PowerPoint. We have remote meetings on Teams.

                          I use GitHub and GitHub Actions. I host packages on npm. I write my TypeScript code with VSCode with help from GitHub Copilot, the C# .NET Core code with Visual Studio.

                          I login in to everything usingusing Single Sign On with Active Directory.

                          And everything we make is of course run on Microsoft Azure.

                          Yes, everything mentioned here is owned or maintained by Microsoft.

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                          I use all of those Microsoft products at a sensitive department of the Federal government of Canada, and they are NOT ready to transition away

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                            Was it ever?

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                              The cloud shit was the stupidest idea. Sorry, you want to be an industry leader your going to need industry leading tech professionals.

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                                Took you long enough. We’ve put our lives in the hands of the US for too long, it’s made Europe complacent and now we’re so far behind. We could be equal to or greater than both the US and China, but if we’re honest we have a long way to go.

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                                  Never was, honestly. If it's not on your computer it's on someone else's, and it's only a matter of time until that's somebody you don't trust.

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                                    As a dev I have had this workflow at a previous employer:

                                    I start my Windows 11 work laptop. I write emails to my coworkers on Outlook, I take notes in OneNote, I make presentations in PowerPoint. We have remote meetings on Teams.

                                    I use GitHub and GitHub Actions. I host packages on npm. I write my TypeScript code with VSCode with help from GitHub Copilot, the C# .NET Core code with Visual Studio.

                                    I login in to everything usingusing Single Sign On with Active Directory.

                                    And everything we make is of course run on Microsoft Azure.

                                    Yes, everything mentioned here is owned or maintained by Microsoft.

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                                    many businesses has it like this, finally its up to the money. i asked our ITs why they moved everything to MS clouds and why they finishing with local data storage archives and the answer is very simple - it costs less than maintaining data locally. second thing is that i work for corporate with 60-70k employees world wide. so its up to top level mng decision.

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                                      I've moved all my services into Europe. Earlier on I didn't care much about where they where, but given recent actions and attitudes of the sitting government of the US of Assholes I've decided to leave all American services. Ain't that hard really. https://www.goeuropean.org/ gives you many options for a lot of them.

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                                      I am still on the way to ditch all US services, but it cannot be done overnight without huge additional cost - new devices, new services etc. So I am doing what I can withing my budget.

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                                        The cloud is amazing. As long as you control the cloud. I've been considering a Homelab for this very reason for some time.

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                                          Brazil saw the paint in the wall years ago and created a government company to manage the government cloud services with brazillian located data centers.

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