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It is no longer safe to move our governments and societies to US clouds

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    The cloud shit was the stupidest idea. Sorry, you want to be an industry leader your going to need industry leading tech professionals.

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      Took you long enough. We’ve put our lives in the hands of the US for too long, it’s made Europe complacent and now we’re so far behind. We could be equal to or greater than both the US and China, but if we’re honest we have a long way to go.

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        Never was, honestly. If it's not on your computer it's on someone else's, and it's only a matter of time until that's somebody you don't trust.

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          As a dev I have had this workflow at a previous employer:

          I start my Windows 11 work laptop. I write emails to my coworkers on Outlook, I take notes in OneNote, I make presentations in PowerPoint. We have remote meetings on Teams.

          I use GitHub and GitHub Actions. I host packages on npm. I write my TypeScript code with VSCode with help from GitHub Copilot, the C# .NET Core code with Visual Studio.

          I login in to everything usingusing Single Sign On with Active Directory.

          And everything we make is of course run on Microsoft Azure.

          Yes, everything mentioned here is owned or maintained by Microsoft.

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          many businesses has it like this, finally its up to the money. i asked our ITs why they moved everything to MS clouds and why they finishing with local data storage archives and the answer is very simple - it costs less than maintaining data locally. second thing is that i work for corporate with 60-70k employees world wide. so its up to top level mng decision.

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            I've moved all my services into Europe. Earlier on I didn't care much about where they where, but given recent actions and attitudes of the sitting government of the US of Assholes I've decided to leave all American services. Ain't that hard really. https://www.goeuropean.org/ gives you many options for a lot of them.

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            I am still on the way to ditch all US services, but it cannot be done overnight without huge additional cost - new devices, new services etc. So I am doing what I can withing my budget.

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              The cloud is amazing. As long as you control the cloud. I've been considering a Homelab for this very reason for some time.

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                Brazil saw the paint in the wall years ago and created a government company to manage the government cloud services with brazillian located data centers.

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                  I use all of those Microsoft products at a sensitive department of the Federal government of Canada, and they are NOT ready to transition away

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                  a sensitive department of the Federal government of Canada,

                  Ha! I know who sold you that.

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                    The entire world is too Microsoftified, but with the rise of flatpaks, Linux may change that.

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                    Ugh. Flatpaks are really not the answer.

                    Go ask a security guy.

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                      *It was never safe

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                        *It was never safe

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                        "But now it's kinda obvious so we better spin it as a newly discovered development in order not to look too bad."

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                          many businesses has it like this, finally its up to the money. i asked our ITs why they moved everything to MS clouds and why they finishing with local data storage archives and the answer is very simple - it costs less than maintaining data locally. second thing is that i work for corporate with 60-70k employees world wide. so its up to top level mng decision.

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                          I am not advocating for anything specific here. Well.. Maybe a bit using european clouds instead.

                          Cloud is probably the way to go in most cases. It's more secure, more reliable, often cheaper, and less work.

                          Everything I do is cloud native and has been for a while

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                            I think the EU should have a bloc-funded cloud program, where all nations in the EU fund a collective cloud. Each nation has their own servers, but collectively purchase the same hardware, have the same security standards, internet quality, and so forth. The majority of these servers can be housed in bloc facilities that are collectively owned by the EU, while particularly sensitive data can be kept within secure facilities within each nation's borders. Military blueprints, diplomatic comms, ect. The generic facilities can be used for holding taxes, driver licenses, and so forth, maybe excess space of the general servers can be sold to the public for use.

                            This would allow the EU to be mostly economical, while maintaining their safety. Plus, it gives an "public option" of sorts on cloud services, so commercial companies have to exceed the baseline standard set by the government cloud service.

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                              The cloud is amazing. As long as you control the cloud. I've been considering a Homelab for this very reason for some time.

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                              I run proxmox in a cluster and next cloud for my mobiles contacts, calendar, files, and pictures. All stored by me

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                                Ugh. Flatpaks are really not the answer.

                                Go ask a security guy.

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                                Whats wrong with flatpaks?

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