Netherlands: 18 year old Ryan al-Najjar was tied up, beaten, and drowned by her father and brothers for being too Westernized
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Which is why the rule must be 'intolerant of intolerance'
Just yesterday I joined a Discord server and one of the rules is:
II. There Will Be No Tolerance For Intolerance
SKG enforces a zero-tolerance policy towards hate speech or discriminatory behavior based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, religion, disability, or any other protected characteristic. Any use of slurs or language intended to demean or dehumanize an individual or group is prohibited. Violation of this rule may result in immediate removal from the server.
I thought "no tolerance for intolerance" is kinda funny, especially when phrased that way, but obviously I think the policy is good. Just an amusing little oxymoron.
Sorry for going 100% off topic but since it came up, please everyone in the European Union go and sign the Stop Killing Games initiative: https://www.stopkillinggames.com/ the deadline is coming up and the goal is to reach at least 1,500,000 signatures! It's looking like it's doable, every signature counts!
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Can a capital crime be tried in another country, or would this just be an 'honour hearing'?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Largely depends on the country. Most countries prosecute only crimes commited in their territory (including ships/planes in/above international waters sailing/flying under their flag) or sometimes even by their citizens outside it. There are always exceptions to these rules. As per the meme, think of them more as guidelines that are followed most of the time.
That being said, this example is within the EU, meaning other EU members are obliged to arrest the person and send then to the country that asked for them. There are also various other extradition treaties under which the person can be brought before Dutch courts.
Also, AFAIK 'capital' crimes in US lingo are those punishable by death. Since no EU members and only one country in Europe outside it actively retains death as a valid penalty for a crime, this would be closer to a felony in the US. The EU is similar to the US in that regard - EU member states are obliged just like US states to turn over people with a properly published arrest warrant. However, there are no "federal" courts in the EU and "federal" crimes like in the US, at least not in the way as they exist in the US.
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A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.
Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.
The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.
But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.
Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.
Source:
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm not in a position to deep-dive into whether this specific story is true or not, but here is some information that I think is important for readers to know:
If you're not from the UK then you might not know about Daily Mail news. This is a far right "news source" that has very poor journalistic integrity and often makes shit up. They have a very strong "anti-foreigner" agenda and heavily embellish or make up stuff to stoke up sentiment about "backward savages foreigners". They are not a reliable news source at all. Wikipedia does not accept Daily Mail as a source.
Personally: if I see a Daily Mail source, I wouldn't bother reading the story at all as the "news" will be of less value than used toilet paper. These turds thrive on writing rage-bait which then circulates on social media (this story currently has a higher upvote score than any BBC, Guardian, etc sourced news recently posted to this community).
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Can a capital crime be tried in another country, or would this just be an 'honour hearing'?
I guess each country might have its own laws about this. Many countries have agreements (I forgot the term for this) where they would send each other's wanted criminals back so they can be tried where they committed the crime.
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"Tolerance" would indicate, that the man is not prosecuted or receives a lighter sentence.
This is not the case. These actions were explicitly NOT tolerated.I suspect that latent (or open) Islamophobia was part of your motiv when posting this. I would be happy to be wrong.
Tolerance would indicate that we do nothing about the larger pattern. Honour killings are on one hand part of a larger patriarchal culture that is prevalent in most of the world, on the other hand, they are much more common in groups practicing fundamental variations of Islam. Pointing that out isn't Islamophobia. Blaming each and every Muslim for this would be.
If we persecute each murder committed by policemen, but do nothing against the larger pattern, then we tolerate police violence.If we would not persecute them or give them lighter sentences, we do not only tolerate them, we endorse them.
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A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.
Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.
The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.
But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.
Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.
Source:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/
Why are people listening to a bunch of lying racists?
Surely if this is a rare chance of Daily Mail reporting accurately, a trustworthy source would have also covered it...
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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/
Why are people listening to a bunch of lying racists?
Surely if this is a rare chance of Daily Mail reporting accurately, a trustworthy source would have also covered it...
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I'm not in a position to deep-dive into whether this specific story is true or not, but here is some information that I think is important for readers to know:
If you're not from the UK then you might not know about Daily Mail news. This is a far right "news source" that has very poor journalistic integrity and often makes shit up. They have a very strong "anti-foreigner" agenda and heavily embellish or make up stuff to stoke up sentiment about "backward savages foreigners". They are not a reliable news source at all. Wikipedia does not accept Daily Mail as a source.
Personally: if I see a Daily Mail source, I wouldn't bother reading the story at all as the "news" will be of less value than used toilet paper. These turds thrive on writing rage-bait which then circulates on social media (this story currently has a higher upvote score than any BBC, Guardian, etc sourced news recently posted to this community).
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Fair but other sources also cover it:
https://nltimes.nl/2025/02/07/18-year-old-honor-killing-victim-tied-drowned-lelystad-prosecutors-sayhttps://www.atheistrepublic.com/news/fatal-traditions-shocking-honor-killing-netherlands
Edit: I've added these sources to the post
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"Tolerance" would indicate, that the man is not prosecuted or receives a lighter sentence.
This is not the case. These actions were explicitly NOT tolerated.I suspect that latent (or open) Islamophobia was part of your motiv when posting this. I would be happy to be wrong.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]People from some cultures (typically those where Islam is dominant, but not exclusively) are more prone to behavior like this. Probably due to a system of values they have adopted in their environment and upbringing.
Call it Islamophobia or something else it does lend itself to the idea that some people should be regarded with more default suspicion than others, based on their origins. As long as each individual is treated as just that - individual, and not blamed for the crimes of others, a higher base level of suspicion is unfortunate but a normal human reaction that shouldn't be treated as some kind of horrible sin. -
A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.
Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.
The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.
But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.
Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.
Source:
When I read this I wondered if this disgusting man did what he did because of his Muslim beliefs so I looked up the connection between honour killings and Islam. Turns out it has very little to do with Islam and a lot to do with just being a horrible, poorly educated human being. What I found out was that people be killin their wives and daughters for what they perceived as dishonouring them since way before Islam came along. If anything, Islam tried apply some brakes on that whole idea. For example demanding that four male eyewitnesses had to actually have seen the act for it to be recognised as legit. This article is quite interesting.
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When I read this I wondered if this disgusting man did what he did because of his Muslim beliefs so I looked up the connection between honour killings and Islam. Turns out it has very little to do with Islam and a lot to do with just being a horrible, poorly educated human being. What I found out was that people be killin their wives and daughters for what they perceived as dishonouring them since way before Islam came along. If anything, Islam tried apply some brakes on that whole idea. For example demanding that four male eyewitnesses had to actually have seen the act for it to be recognised as legit. This article is quite interesting.
Their prophet, when he was in his 50's married a 6 year old, and r*ped her when she was 9.
I'm sorry, but that alone loses all moral credibility Islam might have.
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People from some cultures (typically those where Islam is dominant, but not exclusively) are more prone to behavior like this. Probably due to a system of values they have adopted in their environment and upbringing.
Call it Islamophobia or something else it does lend itself to the idea that some people should be regarded with more default suspicion than others, based on their origins. As long as each individual is treated as just that - individual, and not blamed for the crimes of others, a higher base level of suspicion is unfortunate but a normal human reaction that shouldn't be treated as some kind of horrible sin.Well, being critical or suspicious of a person solely based on their people, sex or religion is one aspect of racism. If you are critical of people from Canada because they are statistically more prone to have accidents with wildlife and therefore you decline their insurance application you are contributing to systemic racism.
I get where you are coming from, it is a very human thought, but is it a wise one?
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All kinds of inner family femicide killings happen every day because some man can't deal with their gf not being property.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Abuse towards Muslim women is a daily event where I am (by their own kind), even in public. Report it to a male security guard (who, guess what, probably is also of the same ilk) and you get told to go on your way... It even attracts attention of other elders who overhear and stand and stare menacingly at you.
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A Syrian refugee who fled to the Netherlands has reportedly confessed to murdering his 18-year-old daughter and dumping her body in a canal before fleeing the country in an apparent admission note sent to a Dutch newspaper.
Father-of-nine Khaled al-Najjar, 52, wrote in an email sent to De Telegraaf that he had killed his 18-year-old daughter Ryan al-Najjar, urging the publication to report 'I am the one who killed'.
The confession did not specify exactly why he had decided to murder his daughter, with al-Najjar writing only that he was 'very angry with her', adding: 'The reason is between me and the judge. I will read that in court'.
But neighbours and friends suspect Ryan's death came as the result of an honour killing, with one claiming they had previously sheltered her when she had fled the family home in fear of retribution from her father.
Requesting anonymity to prevent any backlash, they told De Telegraaf that Ryan had a Dutch boyfriend, wanted to stop wearing a headscarf and had been beaten by her father who disagreed with her adoption of a Western lifestyle.
Source:
Religion of peace.
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All kinds of inner family femicide killings happen every day because some man can't deal with their gf not being property.
Such a wild different mindset. Like, empathy, morals, and decency aside for a moment, having someone around as your “property” sounds like so much goddamned work! Like, why would one want to keep someone around through coercion and fear? It’s sounds dreadful - much better when someone wants to be around you, no? If they don’t, why not wish them well and move on ffs.
Control freaks are the worst.
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Two tiny websites who don't even have mbfc ratings...
Thanks for proving my point there's no trustworthy sources, since it's a safe assumption those were the best you could find short of the literal far right tabloid you first learned about this from
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Two tiny websites who don't even have mbfc ratings...
Thanks for proving my point there's no trustworthy sources, since it's a safe assumption those were the best you could find short of the literal far right tabloid you first learned about this from
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I get these news sources might not be perfect.
It's not like these things are uncommon,
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/honor-killing-convictions-woman-stabbed-in-front-daughter-netherlands/Here is another source found in a local dutch newspaper
https://www.omroepflevoland.nl/nieuws/415004/ook-vader-van-ryan-18-wordt-vervolgd-voor-ombrengen-dochterHow many news sources do you need? There is probably not a single news source out there that somebody won't be able to find fault in.
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wrote on last edited by [email protected]
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Honor_Killing)
Yes, there is a relation between honour killings and Islam, please read the link above. Unlawful sex relations (something that the girl did by the eyes of Islam just by having a boyfriend) are expected to be punishable by death, the only thing is that it is expected to be done by authorities.
Please also read the exmuslim sub on Reddit to see that this is not an isolated case, things like this happens all the time. Watering down Islam enables these things to continue.
If you want to know about Islam read the Quran and the Hadiths (the only real source), not some articles trying to make this cult beautiful and peaceful. It is not.
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I'm sorry, how does adding witnesses make it ok? All that does is legitimize it.
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I'm not in a position to deep-dive into whether this specific story is true or not, but here is some information that I think is important for readers to know:
If you're not from the UK then you might not know about Daily Mail news. This is a far right "news source" that has very poor journalistic integrity and often makes shit up. They have a very strong "anti-foreigner" agenda and heavily embellish or make up stuff to stoke up sentiment about "backward savages foreigners". They are not a reliable news source at all. Wikipedia does not accept Daily Mail as a source.
Personally: if I see a Daily Mail source, I wouldn't bother reading the story at all as the "news" will be of less value than used toilet paper. These turds thrive on writing rage-bait which then circulates on social media (this story currently has a higher upvote score than any BBC, Guardian, etc sourced news recently posted to this community).
Same can be said about the Dutch news paper de Telegraaf (maybe a little bit less). It is a right-wing anti immigration newspaper. But I thought okay I look it up in de Telegraaf. But there is no news article about a email from the father.
Only news article I can find with a quick search is the daily mail. (About the father's email)
The new source the op added also don't say it.
Because yes there was maybe (at this moment it's in court) a honour killing, and the dad is indeed a suspect (together with her brothers).
The dad also seems to hide in Syria and the brother's are held in prison. But I can't find a Dutch news article saying something about a email.De Telegraaf of course made news articles about it. But the newest was 16 april.
A more updated article can be found here Omrop fryslân from the 27 of may about the court case and what's happening there. (Written in Dutch and Fryske. But auto translation in English is available)
As she lived in the province fryslân the regional press follows this case.
