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    Liberals perceive criticism for enabling the right and opposing the left at every opportunity as left in-fighting.

    The left identifies the liberals as part of the right.

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    Right of what?

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    • F [email protected]

      They run TikTok among many other CCP funded operations, I wouldn't disregard them personally.

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      You’re not wrong. Many of them are exposed to propaganda on TikTok and it is a growing issue. Espionage is being done to divide the left and consolidate the right. Just because it’s not as noticeable as the propaganda from the right doesn’t mean that it’s not having subtle effects. If it gets people to disengage or not look out for their best interests then it is effective. All this to say, there is a way to bring about positive change and that has to do with being involved locally.

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        Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't mean total rule by one dude named proletariat, it means total rule by the people.

        Tankies want a vanguard of the best brightest to lead and educate the proletariat into a new "socialist" future. Conveniently, the best and brightest happens to be them and their homies.

        They also just so happen to have a new vision of socialist utopianism of you working in a sweat shop for 14 hours a day and eating rationed food while they sip fine wines and write bullshit very online mutants will recite as scripture in the future.

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        Instead of listening to anticommunists from a century ago, why don't we compare what communists have done in China over 50 years to their neighbor, India? One of those countries exports food for a profit while the children of the laborers who picked that food suffer from malnutrition. Or why don't we look at life expectancy in Cuba today and before the revolution. You can even compare Cuba to their capitalist ruled neighbors.

        To quote Michael Parenti:

        If Communists, if we Leftists, if we Marxists, if we revolutionaries, if we progressives, if we—all we want is to hunger for power, then why do we side with the powerless? Then why don't we toady up to power? Why don't we take the road of the Henry Kissingers and the Patrick—Daniel Patrick Moynihans and the Zbigniew Brzezinskis and the Eugene V. Rostows and the McGeorge Bundys, who toady up and mouth for power? When Henry Kissinger was made National Security Advisor for Richard Nixon, Nelson Rockefeller gave him fifty-thousand bucks as a going-away present.

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        • F [email protected]

          Thank you for being a perfect example of the point I was making, enjoy your dead minorities and your roads paved in the blood of the innocent.

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          Ah yes, if you oppose capitalism too much, you just start hating minorities. That's just horseshoe theory. They wouldn't teach it in schools if it wasn't true.

          Definitely don't come to China, Vietnam, or Cuba and check for yourself, just trust your government.

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            Ah yes, if you oppose capitalism too much, you just start hating minorities. That's just horseshoe theory. They wouldn't teach it in schools if it wasn't true.

            Definitely don't come to China, Vietnam, or Cuba and check for yourself, just trust your government.

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            Honestly wouldn't go there if you paid me, but I respect the journalists brave enough to do so.

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              Honestly wouldn't go there if you paid me, but I respect the journalists brave enough to do so.

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              wouldn’t go there if you paid me

              Why? Vietnam is beautiful, experiencing towns built around bikes instead of cars and being able to buy good meal for 1.20 USD is good for your soul. China is the most developed country in the world right now, and I'm planning to go back in a month or so. I haven't been, but I hear Cuba has lovely beaches and rum.

              Were you under the impression these places were dangerous?

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                wouldn’t go there if you paid me

                Why? Vietnam is beautiful, experiencing towns built around bikes instead of cars and being able to buy good meal for 1.20 USD is good for your soul. China is the most developed country in the world right now, and I'm planning to go back in a month or so. I haven't been, but I hear Cuba has lovely beaches and rum.

                Were you under the impression these places were dangerous?

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                It's a single party autocracy with a very bloody history involving the west. Even if being abducted, tortured, and buried in an unmarked grave is the exception to the rule, it's still a hell of a lot more likely than a progressive nation.

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                  It's a single party autocracy with a very bloody history involving the west. Even if being abducted, tortured, and buried in an unmarked grave is the exception to the rule, it's still a hell of a lot more likely than a progressive nation.

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                  That's a bizarre claim to make when America has been abducting people, torturing them, and vanishing them, without due process for decades, and I am not aware of such a case happening in any of those 3 countries. Except in 2012, when China caught the CIA's spy network and charged them with espionage.

                  As far as the bloody history goes, the blood is only on the hands of the side that invaded and subjugated them. Also the people here in vietnam are way less bitter about the war, despite having a much better understanding of what happened than the average american.

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                    Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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                    I don't think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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                      That's a bizarre claim to make when America has been abducting people, torturing them, and vanishing them, without due process for decades, and I am not aware of such a case happening in any of those 3 countries. Except in 2012, when China caught the CIA's spy network and charged them with espionage.

                      As far as the bloody history goes, the blood is only on the hands of the side that invaded and subjugated them. Also the people here in vietnam are way less bitter about the war, despite having a much better understanding of what happened than the average american.

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                      Sounds like whataboutism. I don't really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than "very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians".

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                        I don't think any of this happened last time the democrats were in charge? Or any other time before that. Seen from Europe, democrats are definitely right of center, just less so than republicans.

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                        The DNC haven't had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

                        Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

                        Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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                          Sounds like whataboutism. I don't really recommend vising the USA. Maybe you should have higher standards than "very unlikely (citation needed) to be abducted and murdered by authoritarians".

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                          I just defaulted to USA because it's where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

                          In any case, it's trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don't commit espionage.

                          It's weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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                            The DNC haven't had more than 48 senate seats in over ten years, and just before that they expanded medicaid to tens of millions of americans.

                            Taxing the Rich was the Harris Campaign, with promise of a unrealized capital gains tax for earners over $1M USD, and enshrining Roe V. Wade as well as many other things in the list require defeating fillibuster, but even if the senate had changed the rules to bypass fillibuster: only 48 seats.

                            Quality of life has declined in the USA and progress has stagnated. And I know why. Only 48 seats.

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                            All I'm saying is everything is further to the right in the US. These things you listed aren't even partisan issues here, they're just normal things. But I see you're just downvoting and arguing so I'll be on way cheers.

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                              I just defaulted to USA because it's where I and (I think) most lemmitors are from.

                              In any case, it's trivial not to get abducted and murdered, simply don't commit espionage.

                              It's weird that you only single non-western countries out when most countries treat espionage pretty seriously.

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                              You are not the one who will decide if you are a spy. Do not place your destiny in the hands of proven liars and murderers.

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                                You are not the one who will decide if you are a spy. Do not place your destiny in the hands of proven liars and murderers.

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                                No justice system lets the accused judge their own guilt, but the US admitted those guys were spies.

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                                  They run TikTok among many other CCP funded operations, I wouldn't disregard them personally.

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                                  Lol

                                  The tankies engaged in hypercapitalism

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                                    Ah yeah sure, taxing the rich, removing money from politics, making healthcare and bodily autonomy a human right, all such right ideals. /sarcasm

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                                    That's what the democratic socialists and social democrats want, sure.

                                    The rest of the Democrats call them radicals and Hakeem Jeffries just told them to leave the party.

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                                    • flying_sheep@lemmy.mlF [email protected]

                                      The fuck are you babbling

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                                      .ml

                                      You know exactly what I'm talking about, don't be all shy about it now

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                                        That's what the democratic socialists and social democrats want, sure.

                                        The rest of the Democrats call them radicals and Hakeem Jeffries just told them to leave the party.

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                                        It's core DNC policy stance. Even Hillary Clinton campaigned against Citizens United, even Harris proposed unrealized gains taxes over $1M, every DNC supports Medicaid expansion.

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                                          It's core DNC policy stance. Even Hillary Clinton campaigned against Citizens United, even Harris proposed unrealized gains taxes over $1M, every DNC supports Medicaid expansion.

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                                          We'll leave aside that those policies don't line up as well with your initial statement as we're pretending because that still leaves us at Jeffries telling everyone not a neoliberal to fuck off.

                                          Him and the other 94 Democratic reps that voted to honor a Nazi propagandist don't seem to have received the memo that's there's plenty of general policy to align on.

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