A conundrum
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Second line of credit or mortgage, its still debt. The two are equivalent because you could also make more mortgage payments to pay it down quicker.
Your suggestion translates to "Don't worry about home repairs, just take on more debt to pay them."
wrote last edited by [email protected]Once again everyone knows that is debt. Of course it is debt. Once again if you don't understand that taking out a loan = debt you don't understand basic finance.
It just so happens to be the lowest interest form of debt you can take and even when added with an existing mortgage payment is still insanely cheaper than comparable rents for the same property.
My statement is "yes homes have maintenance and that can come at unexpected costs. However you can access low interest debt if you need to. And even if you do you'll still pay less than renting a comparable property for the same amount of time"
Please consider the whole and dont just take snippets out of context. Homes come with costs, still way cheaper than renting. You don't have to take out a loan for home maintenance. You can, but you don't have to.
One final note, debt doesn't necessarily have to be bad. You should never take on debt you cannot afford but if utilized wisely you can maintain cash reserves for emergencies and build your credit. Credit scores are made up bullshit, but it's a system that we're trapped in. With a better credit score you can get much better terms on certain things that we need to survive. It's better to take on a manageable debt that at least gives you some benefit than to dump your money into some landlords profit margin.
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Braindead take? This is just the reality of the situation for a lot of people
I know that it is why why would you be entitled to own a home just because you can make rent payments? Do you think the bank should give you a mortgage with $0 down? There are enough people buying who can save a down payment just fine
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Mortgage payments are almost never lower than rent unless you are seriously downgrading
Mortgage is lower than rent in BC but of course it is, you need like minimum $100k down payment to own
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My issue wasn't getting pre-approved, it was being able to actually afford the mortgage amount I was pre-approved for. A lot of these companies don't give a damn if you can actually afford the mortgages they offer, because they know you'll either figure it out or go homeless trying.
Yeah that was my experience as well. Mortgage companies were happy to pre approve me up to like 75% of my monthly income. Not even close to enough to buy even cheap food.
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"Landlords" are probably one of the oldest grifts in the book.
if you can't afford to own a home would you rather have no options to use one temporarily while you get back on your feet?
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Or any country with responsible lending rules.
Lenders are not your friends. They'd take your organs as payment if they were allowed. The rules are there to stop them doing bad lending and then hounding you to your death.
yes, as any good for profit company should
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Yes, if it fails, they will either repair or replace it at least.
so it's betting that the water company will get harder water
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I don't know how this works in US but where I live when you owe bank money they will simply garnish your wages and benefits. No one is defaulting on their mortgage to save money. That's just not a thing. I personally know people who were paying their mortgages for many many years even though their house was worth way less then the mortgage. You just suck it up and hope the price will eventually go up. If it doesn't it's still better then living on the street.
clearly you've never heard of under the counter income
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The first time I applied for a loan, I didn't have a credit card yet. And they were like:
How can we know you're responsible with money?
Because I haven't needed credit in the past and I'm still alive, idk? Having enough liquidity to not need credit would seem to suggest I'm good with money.
But maybe your parents are paying for everything
Ok? How does using a credit card change that?
wrote last edited by [email protected]They are NOT looking to see if you are responsible with money. They are looking to see if they can make money off of you, so they want you to be a heavy credit user. Before I bought my house I made sure to take out two credit cards and just buy random shit on them for a few months because that boosts my credit score drastically which then made it easy to get the loan. Banks HATE people with limited debt because it means you are not a loyal customer that they could make money off of. Yes, it makes no sense but that's just how the economy works. Even if you don't have any reason to buy things on credit, you still should. Even if you are very financially responsible, you should always have "stupid debt," by that I mean debt for the sake of debt, because banks love that shit and it'll help you out if you ever actually do need a loan for something.
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clearly you've never heard of under the counter income
That may work for some minimum wage jobs. No serious company is going to pay you under the counter. At least not in Europe. I'm not even sure what are you suggesting. You clearly don't know how any of this works in Europe.
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That may work for some minimum wage jobs. No serious company is going to pay you under the counter. At least not in Europe. I'm not even sure what are you suggesting. You clearly don't know how any of this works in Europe.
who said anything about companies
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you need to pay us interest because we're taking the risk. Also you need to give us a down payment to offset our risk.
Correct.
Less down payment means more risk and therefore more interest.
Its pretty simple really.
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In the same way, I’ve paid off my school debt, I’m in favor of school debt forgiveness. I also enjoy pretty good health, I’m in favor of universal healthcare. I’ve never caused, not been the victim of a fire, I’m in favor of fire departments.
That's commie talk son. We pull the ladder up behind us in America.
I'm glad I don't live in America then.
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I don't know how this works in US but where I live when you owe bank money they will simply garnish your wages and benefits. No one is defaulting on their mortgage to save money. That's just not a thing. I personally know people who were paying their mortgages for many many years even though their house was worth way less then the mortgage. You just suck it up and hope the price will eventually go up. If it doesn't it's still better then living on the street.
If you were in negative equity, you might choose to suck it up and pay.
Statistically however, borrowers are much more likely to default when they're in negative equity, because quite obviously, there's an incentive to declare bankruptcy.
If you owed a million dollars on a property that had been condemned and is only worth $50k, obviously you would declare bankruptcy. If the property was worth $400k you'd probably do the same. If the property was worth $800k you might do that, but you might choose to suck it up.
My point is, negative equity is an incentive to default on the loan.
Obviously, defaulting on mortgages is a thing. Obviously, people are much more likely to do so when they're in negative equity.
This isn't something people do as a sophisticated well planned financial strategy. In a context of economic upheaval, declining property losses, usually because of unemployment, which usually causes family breakdowns.
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They are NOT looking to see if you are responsible with money. They are looking to see if they can make money off of you, so they want you to be a heavy credit user. Before I bought my house I made sure to take out two credit cards and just buy random shit on them for a few months because that boosts my credit score drastically which then made it easy to get the loan. Banks HATE people with limited debt because it means you are not a loyal customer that they could make money off of. Yes, it makes no sense but that's just how the economy works. Even if you don't have any reason to buy things on credit, you still should. Even if you are very financially responsible, you should always have "stupid debt," by that I mean debt for the sake of debt, because banks love that shit and it'll help you out if you ever actually do need a loan for something.
Because people that quickly pay off their principal and avoid accruing interest don't make the Credit Card companies as much money. They prefer people that are bad with money, sort of like how police departments don't accept applicants that do too well on the tests.
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Even just renting an apartment is full of bullshit.
"The apartment is $1300 a month."
"Perfect, I make $2000 a month."
"No. You're gonna need to make $3900 a month before we will rent to you."
There's a rule of thumb that your rent / mortgage payments should only be 1/3 of your pre-tax pay. In expensive cities that's sometimes impossible to manage. But $1300 out of $2000 means you're spending 2/3 of your pre-tax pay on housing. If you're taxed at only 20% that means your take-home pay is going to be $1600. After rent you'd only have $300 a month for food, utilities, clothing, transportation, etc.
If I were a landlord and someone on $2000/month wanted a $1300/month apartment, I'd be asking questions too.
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Damn $4300 a month. I thought my $2600 was steep.
Right before we moved my rent had gone up to $2500 so it was a push. Now when we first started living there the rent was $1400 and the landlord had even refied so his mortgage was cheaper at the end. When we were moving out and he drove up in a brand new Rivian that I’m pretty sure I basically paid for…
To be fair, it's a pretty large home. I'm living with my SO, my brother and his wife and there's a couple of offspring that needed space too. Our house has ~5 ish bedrooms. Considering the number of people who live here, it can feel small. If it was just me and my SO, this would be humungous.
But that also means that we have four fully grown adults helping with the mortgage. So my share of the mortgage is around $1100 ish, per month, and we split most of the household bills, so I usually throw in about $400 more to help with that. I personally pay about $1500/mo.
My SO does the same, and we've encouraged my brother and his wife to also do the same. If everyone pays $1500 towards the house every month, we have more than enough to cover all the bills (electric/gas/water), as well as shared things like the Internet. Also that's enough to cover the house insurance.
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I saved up a big (to me) chunk a few years ago, thought I was there. Expected the red carpet to roll out. Nooooope. There were people buying houses for $100k more than the asking price, sight unseen, within a week or two of the house being listed. My little $40k deposit was adorable, in comparison. I had no chance. Then Covid, life, etc...
Was it in a desirable location? Our tourist town went out of control with our of state buyers during the pandemic, but property values have adjusted back some and the market competition is gone. If you still have some of that $40k now might be a better time. My wife and I just did the federal First Time Homebuyers class and wound up getting a USDA rural development loan, they wouldn't even let us put a down payment to lower our payments.
I am a skidmark that cannot believe that I live in a house that I "own"(have a mortgage). And I am so much less pessimistic about anybody's potential to do what I did. I am happy to answer some questions. I make $22 an hour and my wife makes $17, the loan officer told me I almost make too much for the program.
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if you can't afford to own a home would you rather have no options to use one temporarily while you get back on your feet?
That's not the point, and I can't tell if you're being genuine or arguing in bad faith. Do you want me to take the time and effort to explain why what you said is capitalist BS? I'm happy to if you're genuinely interested in learning.
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I am coming to realize that my rural perspective is pretty different, and that lots of people live in way higher cost of living areas than I do. My biggest suggestion is if you don't like expensive housing, get out of the city.
