The kid became Ronald McDonald...
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I dunno, I think that take lacks a bit of object permanence. Just because you don't have to see the killing directly, doesn't mean you're any less morally responsible. Shielding soldiers from the direct outcomes of the violence they cause is like the defualt way of programming them and getting them to continue. A big reason why the US uses drones so much because its easier to get someone to press a button behind a screen than shoot someone in front of them.
Causing many many deaths not consciously or deliberatley is worse IMO if you wanna judge the two against each other, it shows a flippance with lives and a lack of consideration of consequences of ones' own actions. Killing Ozai woulf have been pointed and deserved, one death with a direct positive effect, which in my eyes is much more valid and less morally questionable than hundreds of offscreen deaths.
My argument isn't that Aang didn't see the killing directly, it's that he was possessed by a very powerful and angry spirit, so he didn't have control over his actions.
Also, Aang managed to achieve the same effect - arguably an even more positive one - by not killing Ozai. Sure, killing him would have been simpler, but the show directly shows us that it would not have been better.
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This is something I loved about Hitman. Theres a bit of set dressing appeal around violent infiltration, but by and large, 47 uses social manipulation, knocks out only a few people, and only kills his targets, who are terrible people that make the world worse.
It also has a nice quote in a cutscene. (Paraphrased)
“We don’t take sides. ICA always remains neutral.”
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Kinda like how we get people like trump for president, or any wealthy powerful person for that matter. Like the serialized fictional bad guy, they get away with it and keep getting to do shitty things because the hero can never just end the antagonist. All this fighting and legal consequences for the rabble, but when comes to actually punishing the rich or powerful person? Nah…they’re (job creators, too big to fail, might hurt their future, etc.) They go low, we go high…and do nothing.
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Could you imagine?
“For the crimes of economy-scale larceny, murder, environmental collapse, bribery, tax evasion, and, uhh, sexual battery of a pack of golden retrievers, how do you plea?”
“C’mon, I’m just a little guy!”
“D’aww”
sexual battery of a pack of golden retrievers,
He isn't even going to get the chance to plea for his life. That's a summary execution right there, I should think. Gag him and insert the burning electric wire 1 in./min, starting at the toes.
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Fuck that. Deus ex machina is just a fancy way to say bullshit writing that disregards everything. If they wanted that kind of story they should have used a different character.
I agree they should've handled it better. Wondering who was doing all the killing doesn't really have much of a catch when it is quite literally used mostly as a deus ex machina. Very lame manipulative levels of intrigue instead of actual character development being interesting on its own.
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Maybe it's inserted into media on purpose, training us like a subtle shock collar to hesitate if somehow, one of the commoners manages to get within range of an authoritarian boss-man.
/Crazy conspiracy lol
Nah, I'm SURE some rich fucks have had this exact thought and put some studio notes forward to try and get less consideration for bystanders.
It'd only be a conspiracy to say that all of Hollywood directly and openly engages with such plans more than it just being shitty scripts written by idiots who suck at writing and scabs during the writer strikes/etc.
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I never played the game, but I did know about the first game's ending and about Joel's fate in the second one, due to the controversy. I really liked the first season, but the second one just ruined it. It had its moments—sure. However, the entire story hinges on an extremely flawed premise. I just couldn't get immersed being reminded of it at every step.
I decided to take a peek at the fandom reactions and thought I was taking the crazy pills. Gamers loved it, and of course anyone who disagreed was a bigot or a hater. I guess it's just my luck to stumble into shows that turn into shit and then get gaslighted by the fandom into believing I'm somehow the crazy one.
For TLOU S2 in particular, Abby can go get fucked, for all I care, and the writers can shove the victim blaming up their ass.
From what I have heard, that scene wasn't adapted very well into tv
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From what I have heard, that scene wasn't adapted very well into tv
Which scene exactly? I've read a lot of complaints about different parts, but my biggest issue is
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at least in the show, they made it look like I should give a shit about Abby's revenge, when her father and his science buddies were literally about to kill a child who couldn't consent to this procedure even if she wanted to. For something that would have most likely failed, because if I'm not mistaken, according to the game, they had failed multiple times to to produce a working vaccine at that point. So all that whining about Joel taking away her choice is bullshit drama, because she was too young to consent anyway. That's why I'm firmly in the fuck Part 2 camp.
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Which scene exactly? I've read a lot of complaints about different parts, but my biggest issue is
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at least in the show, they made it look like I should give a shit about Abby's revenge, when her father and his science buddies were literally about to kill a child who couldn't consent to this procedure even if she wanted to. For something that would have most likely failed, because if I'm not mistaken, according to the game, they had failed multiple times to to produce a working vaccine at that point. So all that whining about Joel taking away her choice is bullshit drama, because she was too young to consent anyway. That's why I'm firmly in the fuck Part 2 camp.
:::Was trying to avoid spoilers (even though most people know the scene, but some don't) but I forgot about spoiler tags (probably because they only work half the time in boost)
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Joel's death
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Which scene exactly? I've read a lot of complaints about different parts, but my biggest issue is
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler
at least in the show, they made it look like I should give a shit about Abby's revenge, when her father and his science buddies were literally about to kill a child who couldn't consent to this procedure even if she wanted to. For something that would have most likely failed, because if I'm not mistaken, according to the game, they had failed multiple times to to produce a working vaccine at that point. So all that whining about Joel taking away her choice is bullshit drama, because she was too young to consent anyway. That's why I'm firmly in the fuck Part 2 camp.
:::Putting this in a seperate comment because it is unrelated but that is a completely acceptable reason to hate part 2. (Like most good stories) it's not made for everyone.
I think the reason you (and others who dislike part 2) were (wrongfully) labeled as a bigot is because most the hate for the game came after the leaks and before the release, so all people knew was that
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They're killing off the male main character, that's so woke!!!!
:::and all reasonable criticism that came after were unfortunately assumed to be in that group.
