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Amazon’s killing a feature that let you download and backup Kindle books

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  • misk@sopuli.xyzM [email protected]
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    I noticed this feature wasn’t available for my Colorsoft and asked support about it. They assured me it would be added later. This is exactly what I expected to happen.

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      If only there were some way to get books to read in a format where a billionaire's trillion dollar company can't gatekeep them.

      Some sort of physical product, perhaps one made out of trees?

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      Amazon will come into your house to take your digital copies of books you paid for (e.g. when they did that with 1984). No reason to think they wouldn't take physical books after they've violated your digital sovereignty - it is only a question of if that were to ever become a viable option for them.

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        I'm glad I started converting all my amazon books long ago. When I finally got a Kobo last month, there were no issues since the work was done.

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          ... a 17 year bait and switch (or however long Kindles have been around for)?

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          Amazon spent 20 years being unprofitable on purpose. You think they don't have long term strategies?

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            Amazon spent 20 years being unprofitable on purpose. You think they don't have long term strategies?

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            Profitability as reported by companies, especially tech companies, is complex. Also understand that most of that 20 years (assuming that is an accurate statement) was the era of venture capitalism and infinite funding.

            But yes. Amazon did spend decades inventing and taking over e-commerce.

            But that is not what you described. You described a "bait and switch" which implies that they designed the old keyboard kindles with built in wikipedia support as some long con to get around the eventual invention of a de-drm plugin for the eventually invented Calibre library manager.

            The reality is that this is just a case of locking down walled gardens to take advantage of market share. Everyone is doing it. It isn't some deep conspiracy and is more just the logical end result of a walled garden with large market share.

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              Do you want help?

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              It's been a while since I tried it but from memory I had managed to extract the device keys from my kindle for DeDRM and then it wouldn't decrypt the files with them

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                Reminder that piracy is a service issue.

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                  That is no different than Kobo. Thus far, Rakuten have been pretty good about not caring more than the bare minimum. But there is nothing stopping them from doing the same bullshit with firmware updates to the kobos and drm updates to the store and apps.

                  I am finally migrating from kindle to kobo (tried kindle to boox last year and it was bad...) but I am under no illusions that I am just hoping one company is better than another. I mean, the other is Amazon so it is a pretty safe bet. But still.

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                  Just dont update and keep it off the internet I guess

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                    That is no different than Kobo. Thus far, Rakuten have been pretty good about not caring more than the bare minimum. But there is nothing stopping them from doing the same bullshit with firmware updates to the kobos and drm updates to the store and apps.

                    I am finally migrating from kindle to kobo (tried kindle to boox last year and it was bad...) but I am under no illusions that I am just hoping one company is better than another. I mean, the other is Amazon so it is a pretty safe bet. But still.

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                    Well there's a key difference, Kobo allows epub. I don't think they could legally remove it from devices already on the market?

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                      It's been a while since I tried it but from memory I had managed to extract the device keys from my kindle for DeDRM and then it wouldn't decrypt the files with them

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                      I did it a little while ago. Was very easy. Download books with kindle app, load them into Calibre and use a one click plugin to strip the DRM. I think this was the step-by-step I used.

                      https://nerdschalk.com/remove-drm-kindle-books-de-drm/

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                      • yingwu@lemmy.dbzer0.comY [email protected]

                        Absurd. Glad I have a Kobo.

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                        I switched to Kobo a few years and couldn't be happier. I hated supporting Amazon.

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                          Well there's a key difference, Kobo allows epub. I don't think they could legally remove it from devices already on the market?

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                          And Kindle supports mobi files? It is just that those tend to get preprocessed into azw or the other one files. Much like Kobo tends to work best if you preprocess those epubs into kepubs.

                          The issue is that Amazon has repeatedly changed their mobi variants to fight against de-drm tools as well as increasingly locking down their apps and even devices to make it harder to get data off (and now on) to them.

                          There is absolutely nothing stopping Rakuten from doing the exact same with Kobo. And people should be aware of that rather than just stanning their favorite company.

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                            Ugh, thanks for the warning. Time for me to download and de-drm all my old kindle books and never again buy anymore.

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                            Try this python script: https://github.com/Jedi425/BulkKindleUSBDownloader

                            Source: https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/114002221924654676

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                              Try this python script: https://github.com/Jedi425/BulkKindleUSBDownloader

                              Source: https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/114002221924654676

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                              Awesome, thank you!

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                                early models didn't have wifi, only usb or cellular from one provider or another--and those models' 3g connectivity was killed off years ago.

                                this will obsolete all the non-wifi kindles still in use.

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                                You can still use calibre to sideload onto them. Where you get the books is another issue.

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                                  I’m waiting for them to get rid of the send-to-kindle email thing to receive books from calibre. I’m surprised it has survived for this long. I’ve wanted to try out a kobo but can’t justify it cause my 10+ year old kindle still works perfectly fine for reading. But once they remove that feature or drop support for my device, it’s kobo time.

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                                  Check out boox for a properly open(-ish) platform, it's android based.

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                                    Knew this would happen

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                                      I’m guessing audible will follow soon after.

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                                        You can still use calibre to sideload onto them. Where you get the books is another issue.

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                                        So it just obsoletes them for the model users that buy from Amazon and put it on their Amazon device without conversion in between. Even though they should be Amazons favourites.

                                        lol, lmao even.

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                                          So it just obsoletes them for the model users that buy from Amazon and put it on their Amazon device without conversion in between. Even though they should be Amazons favourites.

                                          lol, lmao even.

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                                          The specific devices impacted by this are pretty old (I think only the first and second gen ones? So at latest 2009), so honestly I doubt they're very worried about it.

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