Unpaid lunch
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In California, when you take your lunch is also mandated by the law. So even if your employer was okay with the idea, you still have to take it before your 5th working hour.
Interesting, in Ohio you have to clock out before the 6th hour.
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Wait, there's jobs where people don't get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.
I work in The Netherlands, same thing. On the other side, I can skip lunch and leave earlier. Or can I have a longer lunch break. But I have to work 8 hrs net.
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That's why most places use "core hours" for varied schedules.
If you need collaboration then you do it from 10 AM to 2 PM. Everyone works those hours whether you leave early, or come in late. Any meetings should happen in those times.
This isn't a difficult problem to solve.
If you can't regularly get your job don't with a few hours of not having immediate assistance - I feel like you probably need to rethink your processes, or who you're employing.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'll be a bit less vague, my job involves installing various equipment systems that are designed/programmed by the office people.
Part of the process is testing and bug fixing, nothing in life goes perfect. Install typically takes 4-6 hours, with time allotted for a few hours to test and configure being at end of day. We are often at the mercy of the business hours of wherever we work, so install typically doesn't begin until 8am.
When its 3pm and the job is supposed to be done by end of day and some technical issue pops up (typically client wants a change, or sometimes we all make a mistake) if the guy who programmed the electronics went home at 2, the job won't get done.
As I said, once in a while people leaving early is fine, if we have to return to a job we will. But if we have to do that for every single one, we'd never get anything done.
Some jobs require assistance because that's how life works. not everyone is a computer genius.
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Yep, I work for a fortune 500 and I have to clock out for lunch.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Don’t you feel fortunate? /s
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An american joke i am too european to understand
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An american joke i am too european to understand
I don't think so. Finnish labour laws at least specify breaks, paid and unpaid, can not be at the start or the end of the day. It wouldn't be a break otherwise.
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An american joke i am too european to understand
German law also requires you to take a half hour break in the middle of a >6h work day.
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An american joke i am too european to understand
Lunch breaks are required by law, but they are not required to pay you when you take them. So when you work an 8 hour day, you are actually working an 8.5 hour day (8:30 - 17:00) with your .5 hour break at some point in the middle. The joke is basically the guy asking to work 8 hours straight and leave at 16:30 instead of 17:00 and management tossing him out a window.
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In my experience when you loosen the restrictions on specific starting and ending times you get some people who prefer earlier and some people who prefer later and most people will probably be pretty close to traditional most of the time to maintain cooperation across large groups. Sometimes they call it 'core hours' when formalizing it in da rules. When most people are working independently then you can get rid of even that.
Yeah just takes a little extra planning. I start an hour earlier than the rest of my team but they know that so they make sure to cover anything they need from me before I leave for the day (usually, sometimes we'll have a vendor call or something I have to stay late for but it's fine). On the other hand I'm there to catch most issues before most of the other employees arrive and start calling us.
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I work in The Netherlands, same thing. On the other side, I can skip lunch and leave earlier. Or can I have a longer lunch break. But I have to work 8 hrs net.
And I live in Canada and I can do the same!
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Don’t you feel fortunate? /s
To quote the bird from the Flintstones "It's a living". Honestly I don't hate my job, bored and annoyed with some stuff, but they treat us plebs with a fair amount of decency, plus they pay us decently compared to the rest of the industry.
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German law also requires you to take a half hour break in the middle of a >6h work day.
It's more about reducing fatigue and minimising workplace accidents than workers rights.
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It's more about reducing fatigue and minimising workplace accidents than workers rights.
It hurts how true this is. 🥲
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Interesting, in Ohio you have to clock out before the 6th hour.
It used to be 5th hour about a decade ago but DeWine be DeWining
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In a lot of states it’s illegal for workers to work too many consecutive hours without a break, especially if it’s a physical labor job. Your employer may legally not be able to allow this.
Though sometimes they are just petty and inflexible.
They used to only have you be at work for 8 hours, and paid you for your lunch break. Then companies got greedy and realized they could squeeze it extra time for free by not paying for your lunch break and extending the work day. Wages didn't rise to compensate for that stolen time
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Wait, there's jobs where people don't get payed for their lunch break? I thought that was a scary myth.
Canada here, my lunch routine includes hitting up my digital "punch clock" (I work remote, but we have an app thing), then setting a timer to remind myself that my lunch is ending when I have about 2 minutes left on the clock. I then go and "enjoy" my lunch, and when my timer alerts, trudge back to my computer and press the "lunch is over" button.
To be fair, of the last 4 jobs I've worked, plus my current workplace, this is the only one that actually had a punch clock of any sort or variety. The rest just trusted that I took my lunch for an appropriate amount of time and took the normal amount off of my worked hours for the day.
My favorite workplace of the above set, paid me a set salary every payday, regardless of if I was in office, on vacation, sick, working partial days some days, or whatever. I'd always collect the same amount at regular intervals. They didn't bother with all the micromanagement and complexity of counting the seconds on/off shift.... Which is both good and bad, since that basically negates any overtime, but in all other circumstances, works in my favor.
To be clear, OT/after hours/extra time working was rare, and not really something that happened.I work IT support, so it definitely happened, it was just so rare that I couldn't cite any specific circumstances when it happened.
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When I worked for a big game studio, we had a clan, as did many of the other big studios in the country. Every lunch we'd join the same servers. Battlefield, TF2, StarCraft... good times. Well, good lunch times.
They let you out of your crunch cages?!
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California is so bizarre, you get mandated lunch breaks but god forbid you want full time employment without risk of being fired at any time for no reason
I think that's a common US blue state issue. NY is the same. Mandated 15-min, and lunch breaks every few hours, but still "At-Will"
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This is false. You cannot be fired without reason, you can be fired for any legal reason which will vary from state to state, which may be more strict (for employers) than federal law.
"No reason" IS a legal reason to fire someone in an At-Will state (which is the entire US excepting Montana).
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requirements for doing your work efficiently cannot be considered out of work, including transport.
