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  • naeap@sopuli.xyzN [email protected]

    Yeah, if you device is compromised, the apps on it are obviously as well.

    But that still doesn't affect Signal as a network directly.
    Which is imho a important distinction, as else all my communications could be compromised as well

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    Media won’t report that, it’s be bad for the shareholders of iOS or Android was known to be exploited. They’ll just say “Signal bad! Signal insecure!” While these dipshits probably have given GIF Keyboard access within it and shit like that.

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    • naeap@sopuli.xyzN [email protected]

      Not saying that this isn't a threat vector, but it's not like my communications are automatically compromised, like with a bug or hacked signal server infrastructure

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      Hacking a signal server should yield zero useful results. Messages are encrypted on the phone before being sent. Signal servers only ever receive and retransmit encrypted blobs, never the plaintext. They, by design, do not have the keys to decrypt those messages. There might be metadata about who messages who and when, but I’m not 100% familiar with that part of it.

      Now, if you pwn the phone, on the other hand, you can record the display and log the keystrokes.

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      • C [email protected]

        It really is amazing, isn’t it? Jesus saves /s

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        jeebus shoots, he scores!

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        • ? Guest

          They also struck a cancer hospital twice.

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          WHAT??? Do you support cancer? 😤 we need to eliminate all cancer hospitals - this is where you get cancer! The clue is in the name

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          • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

            Wow. They leveled an entire apartment complex and killed at least 53 people in order to extrajudicially execute one person.

            What a scandal this checks notes bungled invite to Signal is.

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            This stuff has already been happening for a while.

            Back in Obama times when extrajudicial executions by drone started to be a thing, the civilian casualties numbers were so bad that they even changed the definition of "enemy combatant" when counting casualties to be "any male of military age".

            The tools and mindset when it comes to murder abroad that the current batch of assholes are using have been in place and used for more than a decade.

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              This stuff has already been happening for a while.

              Back in Obama times when extrajudicial executions by drone started to be a thing, the civilian casualties numbers were so bad that they even changed the definition of "enemy combatant" when counting casualties to be "any male of military age".

              The tools and mindset when it comes to murder abroad that the current batch of assholes are using have been in place and used for more than a decade.

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              Back in Obama times when extrajudicial executions by drone started to be a thing

              Obama gets a lot of shit for this, and plenty of it is deserved. But I think people fixate on "execution by drone" while forgetting Bush Jr and prior administrations tended to use hellfire missiles launched from manned black-hawk helicopters to the same effect.

              the civilian casualties numbers were so bad that they even changed the definition of “enemy combatant” when counting casualties to be “any male of military age”.

              I believe this was the standard during the original Bush Jr Iraq invasion. Also... go back to the US invasions and interventions in Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, and the Balkins... hell, straight back to the WWs, and you're going to see people playing very fast and loose with the definition of "combatant". Military officers have never been picky about collateral damage before. What's largely changed has been the post-Vietnam media coverage, as a rebuttal to the photography and video journalism that emerged from that era.

              We have to say we're only killing "enemy combatants" now, because we want to preemptively rebut the claim that we did another Mai Ly Massacre or Hadditha.

              The tools and mindset when it comes to murder abroad

              And now we're seeing the mindset come home, perhaps in a way we haven't experienced since Blair Mountain.

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              • underpantsweevil@lemmy.worldU [email protected]

                Back in Obama times when extrajudicial executions by drone started to be a thing

                Obama gets a lot of shit for this, and plenty of it is deserved. But I think people fixate on "execution by drone" while forgetting Bush Jr and prior administrations tended to use hellfire missiles launched from manned black-hawk helicopters to the same effect.

                the civilian casualties numbers were so bad that they even changed the definition of “enemy combatant” when counting casualties to be “any male of military age”.

                I believe this was the standard during the original Bush Jr Iraq invasion. Also... go back to the US invasions and interventions in Nicaragua, Vietnam, Korea, and the Balkins... hell, straight back to the WWs, and you're going to see people playing very fast and loose with the definition of "combatant". Military officers have never been picky about collateral damage before. What's largely changed has been the post-Vietnam media coverage, as a rebuttal to the photography and video journalism that emerged from that era.

                We have to say we're only killing "enemy combatants" now, because we want to preemptively rebut the claim that we did another Mai Ly Massacre or Hadditha.

                The tools and mindset when it comes to murder abroad

                And now we're seeing the mindset come home, perhaps in a way we haven't experienced since Blair Mountain.

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                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes#Approvals_of_drone_strikes

                However, in the pre-strike review, Obama "embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties" that effectively counted "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."

                Obama knew very well what he was doing.

                Both Republicans and Democrats were happy with using the very same tools in the very same way these assholes now are using them, and even the supposed greatest Democrat president of the last 3 decades, Barack Obama, very specifically relied on changing the meaning of words (just like the Fascists do) by specifically redefining the meaning of "enemy combatant" to hide in the final tally the most immoral and unethical effects of his choices.

                Sociopathic sleaze has been the way of the office of POTUS and cronies for a long time and in many things such as this, it's not different Ethics and Morals that really distinguishes Democrats from Republicans (even the current lot of Republicans), it's that this lot are more brazen and less competent.

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                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes#Approvals_of_drone_strikes

                  However, in the pre-strike review, Obama "embraced a disputed method for counting civilian casualties" that effectively counted "all military-age males in a strike zone as combatants, according to several administration officials, unless there is explicit intelligence posthumously proving them innocent."

                  Obama knew very well what he was doing.

                  Both Republicans and Democrats were happy with using the very same tools in the very same way these assholes now are using them, and even the supposed greatest Democrat president of the last 3 decades, Barack Obama, very specifically relied on changing the meaning of words (just like the Fascists do) by specifically redefining the meaning of "enemy combatant" to hide in the final tally the most immoral and unethical effects of his choices.

                  Sociopathic sleaze has been the way of the office of POTUS and cronies for a long time and in many things such as this, it's not different Ethics and Morals that really distinguishes Democrats from Republicans (even the current lot of Republicans), it's that this lot are more brazen and less competent.

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                  Both Republicans and Democrats were happy with using the very same tools in the very same way these assholes now are using them, and even the supposed greatest Democrat president of the last 3 decades, Barack Obama, very specifically relied on changing the meaning of words (just like the Fascists do) by specifically redefining the meaning of “enemy combatant” to hide in the final tally the most immoral and unethical effects of his choices.

                  “There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat. Republicans are a bit stupider, more rigid, more doctrinaire in their laissez-faire capitalism than the Democrats, who are cuter, prettier, a bit more corrupt — until recently … and more willing than the Republicans to make small adjustments when the poor, the black, the anti-imperialists get out of hand. But, essentially, there is no difference between the two parties.”

                  ― Gore Vidal

                  Sociopathic sleaze has been the way of the office of POTUS and cronies for a long time and in many things such as this, it’s not different Ethics and Morals that really distinguishes Democrats from Republicans

                  The western mass media venerates the holocaust of foreigners, particularly browner-skinned foreigners, on the grounds that they are savage and our bombs and bullets bring modernity. As Trump brings imperialism home to the industrial core, we're going to see these same promises of modernity used to justify the demolition and decimation of the American interior.

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                  • 4 [email protected]

                    Hacking a signal server should yield zero useful results. Messages are encrypted on the phone before being sent. Signal servers only ever receive and retransmit encrypted blobs, never the plaintext. They, by design, do not have the keys to decrypt those messages. There might be metadata about who messages who and when, but I’m not 100% familiar with that part of it.

                    Now, if you pwn the phone, on the other hand, you can record the display and log the keystrokes.

                    naeap@sopuli.xyzN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Yeah, exactly

                    But when they talk, that signal is hackable, there is pretty much a difference to a phishing attack or an actual jack on the infrastructure

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                    • G [email protected]

                      did I miss something?

                      Yeah, your devices keyboard needs an internet connection.

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                      As far as I know, I've blocked my keyboards network requests

                      But maybe GrapheneOS gives me more abilities here

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