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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

    That would help, but it isn't just the money. Both Zohran Mamdani and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez were able to secure offices when they were right around 30 years old and both lacked solid support from their own party. Entrenched political parties are arguably an even bigger barrier to involving younger participation in government, not just because the parties control their own purse strings but because they resist up and coming candidates by treating office holders like they have tenure.

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    Yes, and Bernie Sanders is old as dirt yet a decent politician in touch with young people.

    But they're exceptions. We need AOCs and Mamdanis and Sanders as the norm in politics.

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    • extremedullard@piefed.socialE [email protected]

      As I got older and I reflected on all the grumpy old men waving at the clouds and complaining constantly about this-or-that being better in their days when I was a kid, I realized why.

      Now I'm the old man and I avoid becoming bitter my reminding myself of the following truth:

      • When you're a kid, the world belongs to the grown-ups - your parents, adults of authority around you.

      • When you reach teenage years, the world starts being yours: you've developed tastes for things people your age do and create. As you go through puberty, your identity is reinforced with things of your time, and other young people your age with which you do the same things. You all have a bright future in front of you.

      • When you get out of puberty, hopefully you get our of school and start working: the world is fully yours. The trendy things in the world are things you find trendy too. Other people speak like you. You're not a powerless kid and you're not weaker old guy/gall yet. You're fully part of it and it suits you. You may not like the world, but it's yours. It shares your values and your values are what makes the world go round at that point in time . Your personality, your cultural identity and the cultural norms you respect, and your value system are fully developed, and a pure product of their time.

      • And then they stay that way. But the world keeps evolving. Slowly but surely, the things you learned become deprecated. The things you like become old. The way you speak becomes strange to younger ears. The values you believe in no longer apply. The world slowly shifts beneath your feet, but it's happening very slowly, year after year, until...

      • You reach an age at which you're very visibly and obviously out of sync with the world. Even you notice it at this point.

      And here lies the trap: you can either reflect on how the world has changed and acknowledge that it's not your world anymore, but it's younger people's now. People who are now the age you once were: it's their turn to have a go at owning the world. You're just in it for the ride.

      Or you can take refuge in your old values, wallow in the old things you've liked for decades, and bitch and moan about the world going to shit. It's not going to shit, but it feels that way to you. It's easier to reject the world around you than admit it's just not how you like it anymore, but it's poisonous: it turns you into a bitter person everybody hates.

      I choose to ignore the things I dislike - which, at this point, constitute a lot more of the world than the things I like from the past, from my youth. But I also choose to not pass judgment on them because they're not from my world: they're from today's youth's world, and I have no say in it.

      If you're old and angry, think about this. You might find some comfort in letting go.

      The corollary of all this is: there is no better America in the past: the past simply seems rosier to older eyes. America has always been as great or as shit as you find it to be today.

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      I think the meme is more about reflection about nationalism and its ties to history…

      While for some countries like Hungary to be nationalistic is just funny (I am hungarian); while other countries say Germany, Britain explicitly outline their crimes against humanity in their education; but some countries who are not revolting dictatorships like Japan or US are explicitly proud of it… The last group is very concerning…

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        1930s-1980s. So when the superrich were supertaxed. Remember 91% income tax in early 1960s?

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        There has not been a single year in American history that was great for all groups of Americans. This country was founded on the murder of natives and the exploitation of slaves/immigrants: that foundation has reverberated throughout our entire history. Government and corporate policy, often racist and sexist, works to maintain a permanent under class of exploited workers that provide cheap labor for the ruling class (e.g., Jim Crow, redlining, denial of reproductive rights, etc.). So while I wholeheartedly agree with taxing the rich, taxation alone did not prevent injustice in the 20th century.

        Not to mention the devastation that America has inflicted on the developing world. Obvious examples include millions of civilian casualties during our wars in Asia and the Middle East, foreign resource extraction that provides us with cheap consumer good (e.g., banana republics in South America, slave mines in the Congo, etc.), as well as CIA operations that have been brazenly declassified (e.g., overthrowing presidents, installing dictators) because this country can't even pretend to live up to its professed ideals. Any serious study of American history suggests this country has never been "great" in anything beside our wasteful military expenditure and our inexhaustible favoritism of the wealthy.

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        • salty_chief@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

          I mean how many people are fleeing America to other countries for asylum(Haiti, China, North Korea, Columbia, etc) ? How many Americans are being bombed daily(Gaza, Ukraine)? How many Americans are being killed because they are in the wrong Tribe(Africa)? How many Americans are arrested for social media post(UK)? How many Americans are getting sick because of no sanitation standards (India)? How many Americans being taxed to pay for illegal migrants arriving by boat loads (UK)?

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          Is your point that America is better than other countries? Or that every country is bad?

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            "Great" is subjective. For them, america's greatness came from the KKK lynching black people without repercussion before coming home, rape their wife and beat up their children

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            • salty_chief@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

              I mean how many people are fleeing America to other countries for asylum(Haiti, China, North Korea, Columbia, etc) ? How many Americans are being bombed daily(Gaza, Ukraine)? How many Americans are being killed because they are in the wrong Tribe(Africa)? How many Americans are arrested for social media post(UK)? How many Americans are getting sick because of no sanitation standards (India)? How many Americans being taxed to pay for illegal migrants arriving by boat loads (UK)?

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              It's easier not to get bombed when you're the one doing the bombing

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              • salty_chief@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                I mean how many people are fleeing America to other countries for asylum(Haiti, China, North Korea, Columbia, etc) ? How many Americans are being bombed daily(Gaza, Ukraine)? How many Americans are being killed because they are in the wrong Tribe(Africa)? How many Americans are arrested for social media post(UK)? How many Americans are getting sick because of no sanitation standards (India)? How many Americans being taxed to pay for illegal migrants arriving by boat loads (UK)?

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                How many Americans being taxed to pay for illegal migrants arriving by boat loads (UK)?

                Racist cunt.

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                • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                  The more history I learn the more I understand that every country is awful, and people have been terrible forever.

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                  Most people understand that becoming a billionaire requires a ruthless pursuit of your own interests. Regardless of the impact on small business owners, the environment, employees, etc. the billionaire does what it takes to beat the competition. And even though everyone has done good and bad things, the propensity for billionaires to harm millions of people in search of endless profit makes them particularly immoral.

                  In this regard, global superpowers are like billionaires but on the world stage. American atrocities are particularly bad because American geopolitical hegemony has harmed millions of people both domestically and abroad. We can acknowledge this history while agreeing that every country has done immoral things.

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                  • balderdash9@lemmy.zipB [email protected]

                    Most people understand that becoming a billionaire requires a ruthless pursuit of your own interests. Regardless of the impact on small business owners, the environment, employees, etc. the billionaire does what it takes to beat the competition. And even though everyone has done good and bad things, the propensity for billionaires to harm millions of people in search of endless profit makes them particularly immoral.

                    In this regard, global superpowers are like billionaires but on the world stage. American atrocities are particularly bad because American geopolitical hegemony has harmed millions of people both domestically and abroad. We can acknowledge this history while agreeing that every country has done immoral things.

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                    Ordinary people have done terrible things, too.

                    We’re all a bunch of bastards and have been since we invented agriculture

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                      before 1492

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                        Back when they were fighting Nazis instead of being them.

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                        • carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zoneC [email protected]

                          before 1492

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                          1491 and ¾.

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                            Back when they were fighting Nazis instead of being them.

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                            Sadly there were Nazis in the US government before and during WW2.

                            The Dullas brothers are the prime examples. They spearheaded operation paperclip, which rescued Nazi scientists and moved them to the US.

                            The Dullas brothers are the reason why the US loved arming South American dictators from the 50s onward.

                            They also pulled a Japanese war criminal out of prison and put him in power in post war Japan.

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                              Back when they were fighting Nazis instead of being them.

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                              We only caught German Nazis. In America, Nazis were in power or the heads of major corporations (See Henry Ford).

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                              • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                The more history I learn the more I understand that every country is awful, and people have been terrible forever.

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                                Yes but 1 thing I believe the American people have against them is the propaganda. Their elders were brought up with such heavy propaganda that american n1, america the best, america is the only free country etc. They can not think differently, and the younger gemeration, still bombarded with hollywood movies, is trying to break free but they don't hold the power and the money.

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                                  Back when they were fighting Nazis instead of being them.

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                                  You mean the days when black people weren’t allowed to ride the bus?

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                                    Im Latino indigenous, I grew up in a war where Americans are funding death squads and bombing half the country to keep Russia out of this hemisphere. After America bombed my country and nothing was left, we moved up to the US to follow my country’s stolen wealth to the empire that took it. There we were called wetbacks and spics and told we were streaming jobs and weren’t welcome, go back to your country they would say, you know the country that’s filled with American craters. Now those Americans who wanted Russia out, are sucking Putin cock, and we’re still being rounded up like cattle!
                                    Move on to Canada eventually and never got over Americans being such monsters.
                                    These past few years have been wild as even the amaerican leftists have turned racist. I’ve called out a few young people on their anti colonial hypocrisy and anti war stance but only on some wars, etc. Not even against their views, just trying to point out their own colonial past, and I’ll get called all sort of slurs.

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                                    • missjinx@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                                      Yes but 1 thing I believe the American people have against them is the propaganda. Their elders were brought up with such heavy propaganda that american n1, america the best, america is the only free country etc. They can not think differently, and the younger gemeration, still bombarded with hollywood movies, is trying to break free but they don't hold the power and the money.

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                                      People didn’t have propaganda when they slaughtered 95% of men and subjugated women after discovering agriculture.

                                      Happened pretty much everywhere, too.

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                                        Im Latino indigenous, I grew up in a war where Americans are funding death squads and bombing half the country to keep Russia out of this hemisphere. After America bombed my country and nothing was left, we moved up to the US to follow my country’s stolen wealth to the empire that took it. There we were called wetbacks and spics and told we were streaming jobs and weren’t welcome, go back to your country they would say, you know the country that’s filled with American craters. Now those Americans who wanted Russia out, are sucking Putin cock, and we’re still being rounded up like cattle!
                                        Move on to Canada eventually and never got over Americans being such monsters.
                                        These past few years have been wild as even the amaerican leftists have turned racist. I’ve called out a few young people on their anti colonial hypocrisy and anti war stance but only on some wars, etc. Not even against their views, just trying to point out their own colonial past, and I’ll get called all sort of slurs.

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                                        Exactly, only dumb America hicks think America was ever some great nation. They're just the biggest bully on the block and they can't stop patting themselves on the back about it.

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                                        • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                          The only problem I see with that is, even though I’m 40, the government and corporations are all still run by people older than me.

                                          Hell, some of the folks in Congress are older than my parents.

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                                          And they've been running it since your parents were younger than you now. This has got to change, get our parents politicians out of office!

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