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Deleted by moderator because you upvoted a Luigi meme a decade ago
...don't mind me, just trying to make the reddit experience complete for you...
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Deleted by moderator because you upvoted a Luigi meme a decade ago
...don't mind me, just trying to make the reddit experience complete for you...
that's funny.
I had several of my Luigi posts and comments removed -- on Lemmy. let's see if it still holds true.
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that's funny.
I had several of my Luigi posts and comments removed -- on Lemmy. let's see if it still holds true.
Lemmy is a collection of different instances with different administrators, moderators, and rules.
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Lemmy is a collection of different instances with different administrators, moderators, and rules.
this was Lemmy.world that did it.
last I knew anything that had the word "Luigi" in the meme was blocked.
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Err, yeah, I get the meme and it's quite true in its own way...
BUT...
This research team REALLY need an ethics committee. A heavy handed one. -
this was Lemmy.world that did it.
last I knew anything that had the word "Luigi" in the meme was blocked.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I have no life and am practically a fixture of Lemmy and I see more talk about Lemmy.World being toxic and ban happy than I have actually seen Lemmy.World being toxic and ban happy. Especially around shit about Luigi Mangione. Another common complaint is that CSAM is often posted and left up for hours/days. Which is complete and utter bullshit.
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Err, yeah, I get the meme and it's quite true in its own way...
BUT...
This research team REALLY need an ethics committee. A heavy handed one.As much as I want to hate the researchers for this, how are you going to ethically test whether you can manipulate people without... manipulating people. And isn't there an argument to be made for harm reduction? I mean, this stuff is already going on. Do we just ignore it or only test it in sanitized environments that won't really apply to the real world?
I dunno, mostly just shooting the shit, but I think there is an argument to be made that this kind of research and it's results are more valuable than the potential harm. Tho the way this particular research team went about it, including changing the study fundamentally without further approval, does pose problems.
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As much as I want to hate the researchers for this, how are you going to ethically test whether you can manipulate people without... manipulating people. And isn't there an argument to be made for harm reduction? I mean, this stuff is already going on. Do we just ignore it or only test it in sanitized environments that won't really apply to the real world?
I dunno, mostly just shooting the shit, but I think there is an argument to be made that this kind of research and it's results are more valuable than the potential harm. Tho the way this particular research team went about it, including changing the study fundamentally without further approval, does pose problems.
from what I remember from my early psych class, manipulation can be used, but should be used carefully in an experiment.
there’s a lot that goes into designing a research experiment that tests or requires the use of manipulation, as appropriate approvals and ethics reviews are needed.
and usually it should be done in a “controlled” environment where there’s some manner of consent and compensation.
I have not read the details done here but the research does not seem to happen in a controlled env, participants had no way to express consent to opt in or opt out, and afaik they were not compensated.
any psych or social sci peeps, feel free to jump in to correct me if I say something wrong.
on a side note, another thing that this meme suggests is that both of these situations are somehow equal. IMO, they are not. researchers and academics should be expected to uphold code of ethics more so than corporations.
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from what I remember from my early psych class, manipulation can be used, but should be used carefully in an experiment.
there’s a lot that goes into designing a research experiment that tests or requires the use of manipulation, as appropriate approvals and ethics reviews are needed.
and usually it should be done in a “controlled” environment where there’s some manner of consent and compensation.
I have not read the details done here but the research does not seem to happen in a controlled env, participants had no way to express consent to opt in or opt out, and afaik they were not compensated.
any psych or social sci peeps, feel free to jump in to correct me if I say something wrong.
on a side note, another thing that this meme suggests is that both of these situations are somehow equal. IMO, they are not. researchers and academics should be expected to uphold code of ethics more so than corporations.
Tutoring psych right now - another big thing is the debrief.
It needs to be something you can’t do without lying, something important enough to be worth lying about, and you must debrief the participants at the end. I really doubt the researchers went back and messaged every single person that interacted with them revealing the lie.
