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    No. If anything, EU nukes could be something to consider. But I don't see why Germany specifically should have them. That might lead to calls for every other European country to get them too and that could just as easily be a security risk as an advantage, with single countries possibly "going rogue", like Hungary. In the hands of the EU they should be fairly safe.

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      No. If anything, EU nukes could be something to consider. But I don't see why Germany specifically should have them. That might lead to calls for every other European country to get them too and that could just as easily be a security risk as an advantage, with single countries possibly "going rogue", like Hungary. In the hands of the EU they should be fairly safe.

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      EU nukes? Hungary would veto their use even if Russian missiles were raining down on European cities.

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        EU nukes? Hungary would veto their use even if Russian missiles were raining down on European cities.

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        Well if the EU gets nukes i would imagine there would be a clause that allows for a return strike wihout voting and only a first strike being banned completely or require voting.

        Since there are only minutes to launch a return strike voting over it is completely pointless.

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          Well if the EU gets nukes i would imagine there would be a clause that allows for a return strike wihout voting and only a first strike being banned completely or require voting.

          Since there are only minutes to launch a return strike voting over it is completely pointless.

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          Yeah, that's what I had in mind as well. Of course there would be no voting with vetos over a nuclear strike. It would be an immediate response to a nuclear launch towards our territory, nothing else. There shouldn't ever be an option for a first strike in my opinion.

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            Well if the EU gets nukes i would imagine there would be a clause that allows for a return strike wihout voting and only a first strike being banned completely or require voting.

            Since there are only minutes to launch a return strike voting over it is completely pointless.

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            Member states already have mutual defense pacts that overrule any competing EU dictates in time of war.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Security_and_Defence_Policy

            So Hungary can veto whatever they want, but defensive actions will be taken regardless.

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              No. If anything, EU nukes could be something to consider. But I don't see why Germany specifically should have them. That might lead to calls for every other European country to get them too and that could just as easily be a security risk as an advantage, with single countries possibly "going rogue", like Hungary. In the hands of the EU they should be fairly safe.

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              This is a reason why there is a push for an EU military. Right now, there isn't a functional EU body which can launch the nukes.

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                No. If anything, EU nukes could be something to consider. But I don't see why Germany specifically should have them. That might lead to calls for every other European country to get them too and that could just as easily be a security risk as an advantage, with single countries possibly "going rogue", like Hungary. In the hands of the EU they should be fairly safe.

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                Who decided over these nukes? Ursula von der Leyen?

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                  Who decided over these nukes? Ursula von der Leyen?

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                  Yeah, "EU" solutions to security just seem so naive. Do we really expect a German national to put their country's security on the line if need be? Long term, what would prevent French, German, Spanish, whatever exceptionalism from rising and infecting EU leadership?

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