Belgians accused of ‘stealing wind’ from the Dutch
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We just need one world government. Problem solved.
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In an interview with Belgian broadcaster VRT, Verzijlbergh said: “A wind turbine is designed to extract wind from the air. If you measure behind a wind turbine, the wind blows less hard. Behind a wind farm with many wind turbines together, you really see lower wind speeds.”
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ooooo those Belgians! That's why they have those little twirly moustaches!
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In an interview with Belgian broadcaster VRT, Verzijlbergh said: “A wind turbine is designed to extract wind from the air. If you measure behind a wind turbine, the wind blows less hard. Behind a wind farm with many wind turbines together, you really see lower wind speeds.”
To me this does make ‘scientific or math sense’. But, how dramatic is it?
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We just need one world government. Problem solved.
Yeah, governments never fuck up. Better just have one big unstoppable one. Real genius level thinking there. Can't go wrong.
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Yeah, governments never fuck up. Better just have one big unstoppable one. Real genius level thinking there. Can't go wrong.
If all the wind farms are owned by one entity they can't steal wind from each other.
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To me this does make ‘scientific or math sense’. But, how dramatic is it?
Let's take windmill like in the example, it has 3 blades, each maybe at most 5 degrees wide (out of the 360 for a circle). So that covers 15 total degrees or 1/24th the wind area, so at absolute best, it's about 4% of the wind power in that area being stopped. But the blades don't actually capture 100% of the wind power, a good amount will deflect off, those blades are not 5 degrees wide, they're less and they aren't straight blades, so again they capture less. Further the blade only captures a small vertical section of its own footprint, so it captures dramatically less wind power. Lastly blades are spaced with a good amount of clearance from each other leading to even less wind power captured. In aggregate, even by entirely layman measure, these likely have an immeasurable impact on another wind farm.
I'd bet if you built a mile high, mile wide wind capture device that captured 100% of wind power going to it, and then put a 2nd one 1 mile directly behind that, you could just maybe get a few % measurable impact.
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How did they catch wind of this?
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Let's take windmill like in the example, it has 3 blades, each maybe at most 5 degrees wide (out of the 360 for a circle). So that covers 15 total degrees or 1/24th the wind area, so at absolute best, it's about 4% of the wind power in that area being stopped. But the blades don't actually capture 100% of the wind power, a good amount will deflect off, those blades are not 5 degrees wide, they're less and they aren't straight blades, so again they capture less. Further the blade only captures a small vertical section of its own footprint, so it captures dramatically less wind power. Lastly blades are spaced with a good amount of clearance from each other leading to even less wind power captured. In aggregate, even by entirely layman measure, these likely have an immeasurable impact on another wind farm.
I'd bet if you built a mile high, mile wide wind capture device that captured 100% of wind power going to it, and then put a 2nd one 1 mile directly behind that, you could just maybe get a few % measurable impact.
To add to this, it is literally impossible to capture 100% of wind power, even in theory, because that would mean bringing the air to a full stop, halting flow. The air must retain some of its energy to continue moving through the system. The theoretical maximum is a little under 60% according to Betz's Law. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betz's_law
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If all the wind farms are owned by one entity they can't steal wind from each other.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]That necessitates everyone in that entity agreeing.
That's the problem.
You're not being downvoted for a utopian worldwide government being something people don't want, you're being downvoted for being too unrealistic.
Yeah, if everyone agreed and there was only one entity, the wind wouldn't be an issue, probably. And neither would wars or famine or poverty.
But... they are.
Simply stating "oh why don't we all just get along" is just... kinda silly.
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
— Scottish proverb
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Next thing we know they'll be accusing chestnuts of being lazy.
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Verzijlbergh explained that Belgian wind farms have an advantage over Dutch ones. “They are located southwest of the Dutch parks and the wind often comes from the southwest, so you often steal some of our wind,” he said.
Umm, my guy. It sounds like it's their wind and they graciously pass on their leftovers instead of "extracting" all of the wind.
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Verzijlbergh explained that Belgian wind farms have an advantage over Dutch ones. “They are located southwest of the Dutch parks and the wind often comes from the southwest, so you often steal some of our wind,” he said.
Umm, my guy. It sounds like it's their wind and they graciously pass on their leftovers instead of "extracting" all of the wind.
It was then that the Dutch poldered the Netherlands out to upwind of the Belgian wind farms.
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We just need one world government. Problem solved.
"PROBLEM SOLVED." is on sale right now!
Grab your populist talking point for only 3 seconds of thought at your nearest mouth.
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Let's take windmill like in the example, it has 3 blades, each maybe at most 5 degrees wide (out of the 360 for a circle). So that covers 15 total degrees or 1/24th the wind area, so at absolute best, it's about 4% of the wind power in that area being stopped. But the blades don't actually capture 100% of the wind power, a good amount will deflect off, those blades are not 5 degrees wide, they're less and they aren't straight blades, so again they capture less. Further the blade only captures a small vertical section of its own footprint, so it captures dramatically less wind power. Lastly blades are spaced with a good amount of clearance from each other leading to even less wind power captured. In aggregate, even by entirely layman measure, these likely have an immeasurable impact on another wind farm.
I'd bet if you built a mile high, mile wide wind capture device that captured 100% of wind power going to it, and then put a 2nd one 1 mile directly behind that, you could just maybe get a few % measurable impact.
So, quite literally ‘no noticeable impact’ and entirely ‘free energy’. And these ‘anti-wind’ viewpoints are still continued anti-renewable propaganda. Like the thousands of dead birds from hitting windmills…
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If all the wind farms are owned by one entity they can't steal wind from each other.
Unfortunately not all people have sworn the oaths and will protect those they hate.
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It was then that the Dutch poldered the Netherlands out to upwind of the Belgian wind farms.
Would be such a power move.
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There’s a fart joke here somewhere…
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There’s a fart joke here somewhere…
"But it turned out the French were the ones producing it all along."
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That necessitates everyone in that entity agreeing.
That's the problem.
You're not being downvoted for a utopian worldwide government being something people don't want, you're being downvoted for being too unrealistic.
Yeah, if everyone agreed and there was only one entity, the wind wouldn't be an issue, probably. And neither would wars or famine or poverty.
But... they are.
Simply stating "oh why don't we all just get along" is just... kinda silly.
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
— Scottish proverb
Yes, at the core I have the same perspective as the op, but realistically it's never gonna be "one government" it's gonna be a huge mess with local governments, alliances, treaties, delegations and so on and so forth. I kinda think that might be a good thing though, the layers of democracy are a safeguard.
