I created a script for installing Linux apps from their official sources
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Ironically, it's been in the news lately because of a talk given at LAS. Here's a breakdown of the video, for people like myself who hate watching talking heads.
Basically, development on Flatpak core has mostly stalled. And there's a lot of work yet to be done; efforts to rebase it on OSI, for instance.
Nobody's claiming it's dead; it's popular and widely used by a lot of people - it's just that nobody is actively maintaining the Flatpak project anymore.
This is concerning. Hopefully they manage to keep it running as if the standard for packaging software on Linux disappears, companies would return to tarballs.
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I like the idea ! And looked at the project on github. But ..... snap disgust me so much more than searching the right source, i'm not adapting to it. But still nice thinking!
Seriously? Very strong feelings XD
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I created a script that always installs apps from their official source
https://github.com/Tsu-gu/appfetch/
It's a proof of concept of an idea I had a while ago. I dislike having to hunt down apps for my Linux machine when I want them from an official source. Some apps are packages as tarballs, some as .debs, some as install scripts that download a binary, some are flatpaks and snaps.
I created a yaml file with only verified apps from flathub and snapcraft, and added a few apps outside of them that I could think of.
The ultimate goal is the user just typing the names of what they want, and the script will just get it. They shouldn't waste time with picking the right source.
Some apps are packages as tarballs, some as .debs, some as install scripts that download a binary, some are flatpaks and snaps.
- tarballs - heckle the devs to make a proper package
- debs - this is a package, but its format makes it weak
- flatpaks - discard this unvalidatable crap
- snaps - discard this unvalidatable crap
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typing the names of what they want, and the script will just get it.
apt-get install <some app>(thank you, Conectiva)This is how it should be. This is how it was. The sooner we leave this swamp of quicksand packaging, the better.
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Some apps are packages as tarballs, some as .debs, some as install scripts that download a binary, some are flatpaks and snaps.
- tarballs - heckle the devs to make a proper package
- debs - this is a package, but its format makes it weak
- flatpaks - discard this unvalidatable crap
- snaps - discard this unvalidatable crap
just
sus.
typing the names of what they want, and the script will just get it.
apt-get install <some app>(thank you, Conectiva)This is how it should be. This is how it was. The sooner we leave this swamp of quicksand packaging, the better.
I like the separation between system packages and apps. A random system library being out of date doesn't matter to me as long as it receives security patches. But I will not use out of date GUI apps when I don't have to.
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This is concerning. Hopefully they manage to keep it running as if the standard for packaging software on Linux disappears, companies would return to tarballs.
Someone will probably step up. It sound like the big blocker is governance - there are people willing to contribute, but whomever has control is not doing a good job of administering the project. At least, that's what I read between the lines.
Someone will probably fork it, get popular, then suddenly the original maintainers will find motivation, try to scramble to regain directional control, and be discarded because everyone lost faith in them.
Or, we're really about due for a new generation. Snap's a hot pile of steaming shit, Nix is simply awful for package managers to work with, Flatpak is directionless, Guix is like every other big GNU failed attempt to be an also-ran, and a lot of lessons have been learned from all of these. I expect someone will come out with something cleaner, leaner, and without all of the baggage; maybe with some backwards compatability with Snap, Flatpak, and AppImage packages.
Maybe not, but the situation is ripe for something like that. Just don't let it be based on god damned Lisp. I respect the hell out of Lisp and Lisp machines, but I absolutely hate having to work with it.
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Seriously? Very strong feelings XD
Same here. I switched to Debian, pop and fedora on my machines to escape the snap control.
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I created a script that always installs apps from their official source
https://github.com/Tsu-gu/appfetch/
It's a proof of concept of an idea I had a while ago. I dislike having to hunt down apps for my Linux machine when I want them from an official source. Some apps are packages as tarballs, some as .debs, some as install scripts that download a binary, some are flatpaks and snaps.
I created a yaml file with only verified apps from flathub and snapcraft, and added a few apps outside of them that I could think of.
The ultimate goal is the user just typing the names of what they want, and the script will just get it. They shouldn't waste time with picking the right source.
Its cool to see this xkcd in action.
That being said theres a couple options out here attempting the same thing, but due to the required level of trust youre fighting a bit of an uphill battle for widespread adoption.
Not that this changes how cool of a tool it is and valuable for you use case!
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Its cool to see this xkcd in action.
That being said theres a couple options out here attempting the same thing, but due to the required level of trust youre fighting a bit of an uphill battle for widespread adoption.
Not that this changes how cool of a tool it is and valuable for you use case!
Could you link some of those other options? I tried searching for something similar and found nothing. I know about LURE which got abandoned and didn't have the same goal.
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I like the idea ! And looked at the project on github. But ..... snap disgust me so much more than searching the right source, i'm not adapting to it. But still nice thinking!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Try https://github.com/Fmstrat/gam?
Same idea as this but specific to source releases
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I created a script that always installs apps from their official source
https://github.com/Tsu-gu/appfetch/
It's a proof of concept of an idea I had a while ago. I dislike having to hunt down apps for my Linux machine when I want them from an official source. Some apps are packages as tarballs, some as .debs, some as install scripts that download a binary, some are flatpaks and snaps.
I created a yaml file with only verified apps from flathub and snapcraft, and added a few apps outside of them that I could think of.
The ultimate goal is the user just typing the names of what they want, and the script will just get it. They shouldn't waste time with picking the right source.
I also like the idea of installing software "as intended by their developers" and I don't like Linux distros that make a lot of changes and customizations. That's why I like Slackware for example, a distro that remains "pure" and intervenes as little as possible.
Good idea!
