Don't Look Up
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My thoughts as well.
It makes me wonder about my own fears. How many of them were put there by propaganda?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]For one, there's journalists picking the dumbest tweets and pretending it's news. Then screenshots of the "news" article of a dumb tweet getting propagated on other fora.
It's ragebate, conditioning us into a default distrust in and condescension of others.
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the british have to be the most over sensitive people on the planet, for some of the shit I've seen them complain about that made the news cycle.
How did we go from one dumb tweet picked by a "journalist", to "what's wrong with all the british people and why are they the most sensitive people on the planet"?
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Stupid ass
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Don't forget that in WW2 UK civilians were taught to pay attention to other peoples' shoes because of rumours of hairy-handed nuns in Fallschirmjäger issue boots. This kind of shit is nothing new.
There genuinely were German spies in Britain though.
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The way to handle it is to find the "The Architects of Fear", getting rid of them, and making sure no new ones take their place.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I don't think you'll ever be able to get fully rid of religion and terrorists
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These are the same types of idiots that think they're going to be targets of a terror attack in some small backwater town.
These types of propaganda methods really resonate with boomer types.
I remember someone that thought that they were going to be mailed anthrax back when they had the anthrax scare in the US.
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How much anthrax do you think terrorists have that they could afford to mail it to you, a random person in the US?
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Why do you think you're so important that you're going to be targeted?
You need to either be clueless or really full of yourself to think these scenarios apply to you.
The only time you're possibly going to be caught up in something is if you're going to an important or significant place, or you're interacting with people much more important than you are.
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"AAAHHH! Hamas are attacking... Doncaster?"
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That's fish.
TIL. Flying fish or...? How do they reach the chicken eggs?
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Jesus, how can you read that fascist slop without vomitting:
The residents of the Israeli border communities expected periodic rocket attacks after Hamas seized control of Gaza in 2007. They accepted the danger as the price of country life in a tight knit community which still had traces of the pioneer spirit of early Zionist communities.
The article is full of horrific stuff like this.
The paragliders were used to attack Israeli military bases.
You made this comment implying that paragliders were not used to attack civilian targets. Which is not true and was very easy to verify. I choose to provide a link from the BBC as it is rated as high credible and close to centre.
Jesus, how can you read that fascist slop without vomitting
Because I am capable of critically reading an article without blindly internalizing it's contents.
But back to my original point, paragliders were used to attack civilian targets. This fact does not excuse any of the IDF's atrocities.
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The paragliders were used to attack Israeli military bases.
You made this comment implying that paragliders were not used to attack civilian targets. Which is not true and was very easy to verify. I choose to provide a link from the BBC as it is rated as high credible and close to centre.
Jesus, how can you read that fascist slop without vomitting
Because I am capable of critically reading an article without blindly internalizing it's contents.
But back to my original point, paragliders were used to attack civilian targets. This fact does not excuse any of the IDF's atrocities.
And you said that "paragliders attacked small villages" which even even your pro-genocide suck-job excuse of an article doesn't actually reach the point of claiming.
I choose to provide a link from the BBC as it is rated as high credible and close to centre.
If you read that article and say "yeah, this is highly credible and close to centre", you are a fascist.
Because I am capable of critically reading an article without blindly internalizing itâs contents.
Clearly not, given you claimed it as "high credible and close to centre." Do you also go around 'critically reading' other openly fascist news sources?
This fact does not excuse any of the IDFâs atrocities.
Actually the atrocity propaganda of far right, pro-genocide propaganda outlets like the BBC is exactly what has been used to excuse the IDF's atrocities.
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And you said that "paragliders attacked small villages" which even even your pro-genocide suck-job excuse of an article doesn't actually reach the point of claiming.
I choose to provide a link from the BBC as it is rated as high credible and close to centre.
If you read that article and say "yeah, this is highly credible and close to centre", you are a fascist.
Because I am capable of critically reading an article without blindly internalizing itâs contents.
Clearly not, given you claimed it as "high credible and close to centre." Do you also go around 'critically reading' other openly fascist news sources?
This fact does not excuse any of the IDFâs atrocities.
Actually the atrocity propaganda of far right, pro-genocide propaganda outlets like the BBC is exactly what has been used to excuse the IDF's atrocities.
If you read that article and say âyeah, this is highly credible and close to centreâ, you are a fascist.
I use independent media ratings to determine the leaning of news agencies. Check out Ground News if youâre interested in that kind of thing.
propaganda of far right, pro-genocide propaganda outlets like the BBC
If you think BBC News is âfar rightâ then you are in a media bubble. Critically read articles, especially from perspectives that donât align with your views. It will help you understand the world.
But back to my original point before this side track, paragliders were used to attack civilian targets during the October 7th attacks.
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If you read that article and say âyeah, this is highly credible and close to centreâ, you are a fascist.
I use independent media ratings to determine the leaning of news agencies. Check out Ground News if youâre interested in that kind of thing.
propaganda of far right, pro-genocide propaganda outlets like the BBC
If you think BBC News is âfar rightâ then you are in a media bubble. Critically read articles, especially from perspectives that donât align with your views. It will help you understand the world.
But back to my original point before this side track, paragliders were used to attack civilian targets during the October 7th attacks.
I use independent media ratings to determine the leaning of news agencies.
"Independent"? Independent of who? How does that make them reliable? If they're rating that Der-Sturmer tier genocide propaganda as "realiable and in the middle" then you should find a different ''independent media ratings".
If you think BBC News is âfar rightâ then you are in a media bubble.
Right back at you, chief. If you think the kind of fascist shit like the article you posted isn't far-right, you are in a media bubble.
Critically read articles
I do, which is how I can conclude that BBC is far right.
especially from perspectives that donât align with your views. It will help you understand the world.
Right back at you, chief.
paragliders were used to attack civilian targets during the October 7th attacks.
Even your fascist article doesn't make that claim.
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God damnit, stop making the case for eugenics already. Let RFK's absurd health advice do its thing, weed them out, and we can hand out the Darwin awards in a few years.
When I said no fixing I meant it. Not even genetic manipulation can fix this kind of stupid.
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I use independent media ratings to determine the leaning of news agencies.
"Independent"? Independent of who? How does that make them reliable? If they're rating that Der-Sturmer tier genocide propaganda as "realiable and in the middle" then you should find a different ''independent media ratings".
If you think BBC News is âfar rightâ then you are in a media bubble.
Right back at you, chief. If you think the kind of fascist shit like the article you posted isn't far-right, you are in a media bubble.
Critically read articles
I do, which is how I can conclude that BBC is far right.
especially from perspectives that donât align with your views. It will help you understand the world.
Right back at you, chief.
paragliders were used to attack civilian targets during the October 7th attacks.
Even your fascist article doesn't make that claim.
Even your fascist article doesnât make that claim.
If youâre incapable of finding the reference to the paraglider in that article I question your critical thinking skills.
There are so many logical fallacies in your comments in this thread that I doubt you are arguing in good faith. You made a comment that implied that paragliders were not used to attack villagers in your initial post. That was factually untrue and instead of admitting that you were wrong and adjusting your world view slightly you instead choose to double down. To be clear, you can agree that paragliders were used to attack villager AND be against the IDFs genocide in Gaza. Donât make the truth the enemy when itâs inconvenient.
What news agencies do you trust?
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Even your fascist article doesnât make that claim.
If youâre incapable of finding the reference to the paraglider in that article I question your critical thinking skills.
There are so many logical fallacies in your comments in this thread that I doubt you are arguing in good faith. You made a comment that implied that paragliders were not used to attack villagers in your initial post. That was factually untrue and instead of admitting that you were wrong and adjusting your world view slightly you instead choose to double down. To be clear, you can agree that paragliders were used to attack villager AND be against the IDFs genocide in Gaza. Donât make the truth the enemy when itâs inconvenient.
What news agencies do you trust?
If youâre incapable of finding the reference to the paraglider in that article I question your critical thinking skills.
So you've Motte-and-Baillied your way from "gliders were used to attack small villages" to "gliders were used in attacks on civilian targets" to "a para-glider was referenced in this article". Maybe you should work on your own critical thinking skills before pulling out this insults.
There are so many logical fallacies in your comments in this thread that I doubt you are arguing in good faith.
You know what is actually a bad faith logical fallacy? Blanket declaring that your opponent is wrong and not arguing in good faith because they apparently had "so many logical fallacies" in their comments (without actually bothering to identify any of them). Specifically Proof by Assertion, Fallacy Fallacy, and Ad-hominem. I know reddit liberals like yourself have been trained to employ the phrase "logical fallacy" like some kind of magical incantation that lets you declare yourself correct without having to actually address anyone who disagrees with you, but you actually do still have to substantiate the point.
If you actually think that I'm not arguing in good faith, you would simply stop replying, and maybe report me. The fact that you are not doing that suggests that you don't actually believe that and are using the accusation vexatiously.
That was factually untrue and instead of admitting that you were wrong and adjusting your world view slightly you instead choose to double down.
Begging the question fallacy: the whole discussion is about if it's true; you can't just declare it to be true.
What news agencies do you trust?
As someone who has repeatedly talked about "reading critically" you should probably know that it's not a matter of blanket trusting any whole agency, you should read closely enough to: 1. Determine the article's biases, and 2. Determine where the claims of of fact are actually coming from. You should definitely be hesitant to trust an article from a source that has a history of fierce pro-genocide support, is getting all of the claims of fact directly from IDF stormtroopers, and engages in some of the most obscenely blatant editorializing in what is ostensibly supposed to be a news article that I have ever seen.
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If youâre incapable of finding the reference to the paraglider in that article I question your critical thinking skills.
So you've Motte-and-Baillied your way from "gliders were used to attack small villages" to "gliders were used in attacks on civilian targets" to "a para-glider was referenced in this article". Maybe you should work on your own critical thinking skills before pulling out this insults.
There are so many logical fallacies in your comments in this thread that I doubt you are arguing in good faith.
You know what is actually a bad faith logical fallacy? Blanket declaring that your opponent is wrong and not arguing in good faith because they apparently had "so many logical fallacies" in their comments (without actually bothering to identify any of them). Specifically Proof by Assertion, Fallacy Fallacy, and Ad-hominem. I know reddit liberals like yourself have been trained to employ the phrase "logical fallacy" like some kind of magical incantation that lets you declare yourself correct without having to actually address anyone who disagrees with you, but you actually do still have to substantiate the point.
If you actually think that I'm not arguing in good faith, you would simply stop replying, and maybe report me. The fact that you are not doing that suggests that you don't actually believe that and are using the accusation vexatiously.
That was factually untrue and instead of admitting that you were wrong and adjusting your world view slightly you instead choose to double down.
Begging the question fallacy: the whole discussion is about if it's true; you can't just declare it to be true.
What news agencies do you trust?
As someone who has repeatedly talked about "reading critically" you should probably know that it's not a matter of blanket trusting any whole agency, you should read closely enough to: 1. Determine the article's biases, and 2. Determine where the claims of of fact are actually coming from. You should definitely be hesitant to trust an article from a source that has a history of fierce pro-genocide support, is getting all of the claims of fact directly from IDF stormtroopers, and engages in some of the most obscenely blatant editorializing in what is ostensibly supposed to be a news article that I have ever seen.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Sure, I'll bite. Here are some of the logical fallacies you've committed in this thread.
1. Ad Hominem
Definition: Rejecting a claim by attacking the person making it rather than addressing the claim itself.
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âIf you read that article and say âyeah, this is highly credible and close to centreâ, you are a fascist.â
Formal Logic:
ââ(I say: Credible(BBC)) â (You say: I â Fascist) ââTherefore: ÂŹCredible(BBC)This sidesteps the actual argument about the articleâs credibility by attacking me personally. It doesnât address whether the article is actually accurate or balanced.
2. Genetic Fallacy
Definition: Dismissing a claim based solely on its source rather than its content.
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âActually the atrocity propaganda of far right, pro-genocide propaganda outlets like the BBC is exactly what has been used to excuse the IDFâs atrocities.â
Formal Logic:
ââ(Source(C) = BBC ⧠Bad(Source)) â ÂŹCYou reject the articleâs factual content entirely because itâs from the BBC, without evaluating the specific claims being made.
3. Motte and Bailey
Definition: Defending a controversial position (bailey) by retreating to a safer, more defensible one (motte) when challenged.
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âSo youâve Motte-and-Baillied your way from âgliders were used to attack small villagesâ to âgliders were used in attacks on civilian targetsâ to âa para-glider was referenced in this articleâ.â
Formal Logic:
ââLet P = âParagliders attacked civiliansâ ââYou challenge P â I clarify Pâ = âParagliders attacked civilian targets like Kfar Azaâ ââThen you respond to Pâ˛â˛ = âParagliders are mentioned in the articleâ ââThen argue: ââÂŹMentions(Pâ˛â˛) â ÂŹPIt's a little ironic you accuse me of doing a Motte-and-Bailey while actually performing one yourself - shifting from the broader factual claim to whether the article uses specific phrasing. But hey, we all do it sometimes!
4. Fallacy Fallacy
Definition: Assuming that because someone made a flawed argument, their conclusion must be false.
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âBlanket declaring that your opponent is wrong and not arguing in good faith because they apparently had âso many logical fallaciesâ...â
Formal Logic:
ââ(â Fallacy in Argument A) â ÂŹValid(A) ââThen wrongly inferred: ÂŹValid(A) â ÂŹTrue(Conclusion A)Even if my argument has flaws, that alone doesnât disprove the underlying claim (e.g., that paragliders attacked civilians).
5. Begging the Question
Definition: Assuming the conclusion within the premise - circular reasoning.
Quote (from your rebuttal):
âBegging the question fallacy: the whole discussion is about if itâs true; you canât just declare it to be true.â
âThat was factually untrue and instead of admitting that you were wrongâŚâFormal Logic:
ââ(You assume: ÂŹP) ââThen argue: ÂŹP ââ\[where P = âParagliders attacked civiliansâ]You point out this fallacy in me - but then do the same thing by assuming the opposite is true without disproving it.
6. Poisoning the Well
Definition: Discrediting someone in advance so that their argument wonât be taken seriously.
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âDo you also go around âcritically readingâ other openly fascist news sources?â
âIf you think the kind of fascist shit like the article you posted isnât far-right, you are in a media bubble.âFormal Logic:
ââUses(BBC) â âFascist â ÂŹTrustworthy(All Claims from Person)This frames me as inherently untrustworthy because of the sources I read, regardless of the content of my arguments.
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