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  • O [email protected]

    maybe i got confused because of the heavy man and bridge being on the two paths...
    Also, no way that "heavy man" can stop a trolley

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    One of several reasons why the 'heavy man' variant of the dilemma is rarely used in comparison to the switch.

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      It's a combination of two common 'trolley problem' moral dilemmas.

      Do you pull the switch to kill fewer people, even though that would actively involve you in the decision to kill people?

      AND

      There is a trolley coming - you are with a heavy man on a bridge. Do you push the man off the bridge, knowing his body is substantial enough to gum up the trolley and stop it - to save a greater number of people?

      In this scenario, by combining the two, pulling the lever will make the moral dilemma harder - because the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 2. On the other hand, refusing to pull the lever will make the decision easier, if still not clear cut - as the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 5.

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      gum up the trolley

      heaves

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        The dominant strategy is pulling the lever, because assuming both guys on the bridge don't push, you kill 2 instead of 4, and 2<4. If the guys on the bridge decide to push you kill 1 person in each scenario.

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          The lever is already pulled, he'd have to push it.

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            The dominant strategy is pulling the lever, because assuming both guys on the bridge don't push, you kill 2 instead of 4, and 2<4. If the guys on the bridge decide to push you kill 1 person in each scenario.

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            Yes, but wouldn't the person on the left be more likely to push than the one on the right, as they could save more lives by sacrificing one?

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            • pugjesus@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

              It's a combination of two common 'trolley problem' moral dilemmas.

              Do you pull the switch to kill fewer people, even though that would actively involve you in the decision to kill people?

              AND

              There is a trolley coming - you are with a heavy man on a bridge. Do you push the man off the bridge, knowing his body is substantial enough to gum up the trolley and stop it - to save a greater number of people?

              In this scenario, by combining the two, pulling the lever will make the moral dilemma harder - because the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 2. On the other hand, refusing to pull the lever will make the decision easier, if still not clear cut - as the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 5.

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              I've seen a lot of variations of the trolley problem, and this is the first time I've ever heard the "heavy man." It also makes zero sense, because a heavy man would do nothing to a trolley.

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                It's a combination of two common 'trolley problem' moral dilemmas.

                Do you pull the switch to kill fewer people, even though that would actively involve you in the decision to kill people?

                AND

                There is a trolley coming - you are with a heavy man on a bridge. Do you push the man off the bridge, knowing his body is substantial enough to gum up the trolley and stop it - to save a greater number of people?

                In this scenario, by combining the two, pulling the lever will make the moral dilemma harder - because the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 2. On the other hand, refusing to pull the lever will make the decision easier, if still not clear cut - as the fellow on the bridge must decide the life of 1 person vs. the life of 5.

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                Im not strong enough to push a man heavy enough to "gum up a trolley" any way.

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                  If he pulls the lever so the trolley starts to multi-track drift, he can kill all 10 people at once

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                    If he pulls the lever so the trolley starts to multi-track drift, he can kill all 10 people at once

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                    Plus all of the unmentioned people in the trolley since it would also hit both bridges

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                      Plus all of the unmentioned people in the trolley since it would also hit both bridges

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                      Bonus points!

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