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Mods react as Reddit kicks some of them out again: “This will break the site”

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    *ulterior

    tabular@lemmy.worldT This user is from outside of this forum
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    Thanks, I wanted to say that but I couldn't figure out how to spell it.

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      Gotta boost user numbers.

      Or obscure them considering not letting people see sub count only daily/weekly activities

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      This is actually another of Reddit's decisions that I'm in agreement with. Subscriber count isn't a very useful number, it largely just measures how old a subreddit is. You can already see how old the subreddit is much more accurately by looking at its founding date.

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      • tabular@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

        Thanks, I wanted to say that but I couldn't figure out how to spell it.

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        That's what I guessed. Alternative is a fine alternative word though.

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          The powermods arent bringing anything unique moderation except a network that allows them to control content for a specific audience.

          It depends who. There are some that build tools and procedures for handling large forums. They may also share best practices across different subs.

          As for controlling content, it isn't like a corporation or political group can't create 20 accounts and take over subs. That's already happened on Reddit.

          Its overall a good thing but the powermods will be replaced with reddit admins doing the ame

          Or sock puppet accounts. Banning the current set of mods without a plan on who replaces them doesn't fix the problem.

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          They can still share tools and best practices but now they cant be involved in the post to post moderation.

          As for controlling content, it isn’t like a corporation or political group can’t create 20 accounts and take over subs. That’s already happened on Reddit.

          You cant do this if the mods are already doing this because the mods will remove the posts. Giving them a huge block of control over a majority of the content on the platform.

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            I'm surprised that Reddit has any active users, personally. It's just so... Fake now.

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            • F [email protected]

              The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.

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              Can confirm. You can have the mildest takes and still get permbanned.

              Did you know, that saying Neo-Nazis should be named and shamed is a permbannable offense?

              Reddit is becoming Xitter 2.0 and I'm really hoping the remaining human users on there figure it out soon.

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                If they'd added, yes. But removing it completely is just a way to hide how many are on the platform.

                Or left in a protest

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                  It limits mods to 5 subs with over 100,000 monthly visits it seems reasonable to limit the mods reach they all have back deals going on to push agendas and ads it's pretty fucked.

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                  • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                    Reddit users, as have Xitter, Facebook, Instagram, Threads, etc., have all demonstrated that you can do whatever the fuck you want to them and they'll just keep coming back for more, no matter what.

                    Even after decades of abuse, you can open up a brand new platform (Threads) and they'll join by the millions.

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                    Its like almost like the sites are drugs and the users are junkies that will do anything for a hit.

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                      I'm starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.

                      They're planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about "if they kill old.reddit I'm leaving fr this time" while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.

                      Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?

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                      • blackfeathr@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                        I'm starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.

                        They're planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about "if they kill old.reddit I'm leaving fr this time" while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.

                        Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?

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                        It's not about the platform but it's where most of the people are. There's just not a lot of people here, especially in relation to niche subjects.

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                        • F [email protected]

                          The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.

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                          Can corroborate lmao. They’ve saved me so much time that I usually spent correcting misinfo, but I guess that’s what they want on their platform. Anyways Lemmy’s been an okay replacement.

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                          • cybersteel@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                            It's not about the platform but it's where most of the people are. There's just not a lot of people here, especially in relation to niche subjects.

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                            There could be if people had / acted in accordance with any kind of principles of self respect. They’re ants in some rich mega douche’s ant farm, donating their time and energy to their captor, but refuse to make the fucking 6-inch journey to a free ant hill beside them.

                            Almost all of us are here because of the API bullshit. Those who stayed did us a favour, I reckon.

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                            • blackfeathr@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                              I'm starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.

                              They're planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about "if they kill old.reddit I'm leaving fr this time" while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.

                              Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?

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                              Fuck it's been two years...

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                              • blackfeathr@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

                                I'm starting to get convinced that Redditors and mods are just gluttons for punishment by that platform.

                                They're planning on kneecapping old.reddit in this update too, and you see all the typical howling about "if they kill old.reddit I'm leaving fr this time" while at the same time, another big thread one comment lower is about all the ridiculous bans that people have gotten. And this is a mere two years after the API fiasco.

                                Why do people continue to use a platform that has proven time and time again that the asshole(s) in charge do not give a single fuck about them?

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                                Reddit is in an incestuous relationship with Google. So it'll remain relevant as long as it's results keep getting into the front page of the biggest search engine. Add to that, the results getting fed into AI responses.

                                Influencers and marketers love Reddit at least as much as they still love Twitter.

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                                  At the risk of agreeing with Reddit:

                                  Under new rules rolling out over the coming months, a small number of users will be required to leave some of their moderator posts so that they aren’t moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.

                                  That sounds perfectly reasonable. Reddit has a massive powermod problem.

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                                  It could be viewed as reasonable if viewed alone. I think that its fine and could make a lot of sense for control over their platform.

                                  The history of reddit sheds a different context in my mind though.
                                  Mods are volunteers. Subreddits were established to moderate themselves, implementing nuanced rules for their specific topics that might differ from other subs that need completely different rules and approaches.
                                  Its part of what made reddit unique compared to alternate sites.

                                  Then they made moderating much more difficult by eliminating third party apps. Then they started implementing their plans to take the platform where they wanted it, which is fine because its their platform, but they wanted all their mods to do a bunch of work and in a certain manner to make it so. Very demanding on free labor.

                                  So there's mods still around and they want to restrict them more? Who knows, maybe that's a great idea but they made the mess they're in. This decision isn't a single on on its own, its part of a stack of them.

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                                    Now /u/spez will have all the power

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                                    Yeah that is exactly it. They didn't want mods to be able to disrupt the site again, so they're looking to make that more difficult.

                                    God, I am so glad I left that place.

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                                      Its like almost like the sites are drugs and the users are junkies that will do anything for a hit.

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                                      I recall recently a post that alluded to the fact that the two industries that call their customers "users" are drug companies, and online services.

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                                        The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.

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                                        They use weirdly aggressive fingerprinting to make sure you don't make any new accounts, too. What a bunch of weirdos.

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                                          True, but Reddit let this problem fester for a long time.

                                          What's interesting to me here regarding this, is Reddits current preparation timescale. This isn't going to be enforced until March 31st, 2026. This tells me that Reddit would have been unprepared for a complete mass-walkout of community moderators during the 2023 Reddit API strikes. A large chunk of Reddit during that period was genuinely inaccessible. But after a few token gestures and a few examples made of some especially rebellious mod-teams, most of the striking moderators returned.

                                          A huge opportunity was missed by people running major communities to functionally degrade Reddit in at least the medium-term as a website. You can't just hastily promote random people to replace moderators Reddit is either forced to remove or who leave voluntarily. The average person is likely too lazy, too arbitrary and too corrupt to effectively oversee communities of notable sizes.

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                                          I was on one of those “especially rebellious mod-teams”. We were even interviewed by Ars Technica about it all at the time.

                                          On advice of a majority of our users, we took our sub offline and kept it that way until Reddit booted us as mods. Honestly, this was the outcome I was expecting — hell, I was pretty open about goading them into it. What was the alternative — to cave to the platform that was abusing us so I could keep working for them for free?

                                          That’s the part I didn’t understand about my fellow mods from other subs. Many of them caved pretty quickly. Their identities seemed to be so tied up in being a Reddit mod that they couldn’t let it go, even though the relationship was obviously very unequal. Too many other people stood up after witnessing the mod abuse to take over from those who got the boot, just asking for the Reddit boot to be applied to their necks instead.

                                          Well, I wish all the mods the kind of treatment they forgave/ignored the last time around.

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