Free Speech Goes Only One Way
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You don't think celebrating the murder of a political enemy on national TV isn't setting a dangerous precedent to encourage more political violence from both sides? Do you really want to live in a world where people just get shot for having a different opinion from yours?
First of all no one did this on national TV. Perhaps you referring to edge lords on the Internet making snide or rude comments. This is nothing to worry about. I heard people talk about hanging or shooting Obama for several years when I lived in Idaho. Celebrating and fantasizing about killing the President did absolutely nothing.
Second, we already live in a society where the right wing is constantly calling for violence. They have been openly talking about killing people from the Democratic party for decades. Rush Limbaugh was particularly found of this and he received the Medal of Freedom.
Let's be clear here, a couple of edgy people have celebrated his death. A lot of people recognize he was a piece of shit and are not upset at all other than to say no one should have to die this way.
The violent rhetoric comes regularly from the conservatives. Even the president of the United States sent a message he was bringing the Department of War to Chicago to enact an apocalypse. Kind of blows a few edge lords cheering on Kirk's death out of the motherfucking water.
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First of all no one did this on national TV. Perhaps you referring to edge lords on the Internet making snide or rude comments. This is nothing to worry about. I heard people talk about hanging or shooting Obama for several years when I lived in Idaho. Celebrating and fantasizing about killing the President did absolutely nothing.
Second, we already live in a society where the right wing is constantly calling for violence. They have been openly talking about killing people from the Democratic party for decades. Rush Limbaugh was particularly found of this and he received the Medal of Freedom.
Let's be clear here, a couple of edgy people have celebrated his death. A lot of people recognize he was a piece of shit and are not upset at all other than to say no one should have to die this way.
The violent rhetoric comes regularly from the conservatives. Even the president of the United States sent a message he was bringing the Department of War to Chicago to enact an apocalypse. Kind of blows a few edge lords cheering on Kirk's death out of the motherfucking water.
Well, since you can clearly tell the difference between talking about killing someone and actually killing them, I'm sure it won't be too difficult to tell the difference between fantasizing about someone's dead and actually celebrating it.
But the real problem is that while Kirk may have been a dunderhead, at least he was still willing to have a debate. The next guy they're gonna send likely isn't going to be so kind. You want fascism? Because killing the people who are willing to talk is how you get fascism.
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Well, since you can clearly tell the difference between talking about killing someone and actually killing them, I'm sure it won't be too difficult to tell the difference between fantasizing about someone's dead and actually celebrating it.
But the real problem is that while Kirk may have been a dunderhead, at least he was still willing to have a debate. The next guy they're gonna send likely isn't going to be so kind. You want fascism? Because killing the people who are willing to talk is how you get fascism.
No one is celebrating, this is the same lie told about Muslims celebrating 9/11. This is second rate propaganda and I am surprised you would peddle in this nonsense.
Kirk was much more than a dunderhead. Whatever the fuck that means. He was a hate monger and declared so by several reputable organizations. He is a horrible Martyr, one only a truly white supremacist could love.
I am under no illusion about fascism. We are a fascist nation that is slipping deeper into a techno feudalism state. I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.
So many innocent children die every year needlessly thanks to gun proliferation. We should be collectively crying about this national loss we face year after year. It is now the number one killer of children outpacing motor vehicle collisions.
Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.
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No one is celebrating, this is the same lie told about Muslims celebrating 9/11. This is second rate propaganda and I am surprised you would peddle in this nonsense.
Kirk was much more than a dunderhead. Whatever the fuck that means. He was a hate monger and declared so by several reputable organizations. He is a horrible Martyr, one only a truly white supremacist could love.
I am under no illusion about fascism. We are a fascist nation that is slipping deeper into a techno feudalism state. I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.
So many innocent children die every year needlessly thanks to gun proliferation. We should be collectively crying about this national loss we face year after year. It is now the number one killer of children outpacing motor vehicle collisions.
Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No one is celebrating
You literally said in your previous post that all the people who celebrated were edgelords, meaning there WERE people celebrating. Which is it? How about you get your own story straight before accusing me of peddling second-rate propaganda.
He was a hate monger
Whatever the fuck that means...
I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.
Okay, so your plan for fighting fascism is doing the exact same thing that you say fascism thrives on... do you really expect that to work?
Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.
I'm certainly not trying to lionize him. I'm trying to get it through your thick head that making him a martyr for his cause was a phenomenally stupid idea, and everyone who was celebrating it is an absolute retard.
As objectionable and annoying as his words may have been while he was alive, none of them ever managed to fire up their base quite the way his death did. All this has accomplished is to pour oil on the fire. You thought fascism was bad now? Well, MAGA just got their Horst Wessel. It's about to get way worse.
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No one is celebrating
You literally said in your previous post that all the people who celebrated were edgelords, meaning there WERE people celebrating. Which is it? How about you get your own story straight before accusing me of peddling second-rate propaganda.
He was a hate monger
Whatever the fuck that means...
I agree that Fascism thrives on violence. Going around killing people is what they already are doing. Just par for the course.
Okay, so your plan for fighting fascism is doing the exact same thing that you say fascism thrives on... do you really expect that to work?
Instead we are trying to lionize a loser.
I'm certainly not trying to lionize him. I'm trying to get it through your thick head that making him a martyr for his cause was a phenomenally stupid idea, and everyone who was celebrating it is an absolute retard.
As objectionable and annoying as his words may have been while he was alive, none of them ever managed to fire up their base quite the way his death did. All this has accomplished is to pour oil on the fire. You thought fascism was bad now? Well, MAGA just got their Horst Wessel. It's about to get way worse.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Please provide proof massive amounts of people are cheering in the streets or holding block parties he is dead or just do us a favor and shut the fuck up. A few edge lords talking shit is insignificant. It is clear you are spreading propaganda at this point.
A hate monger is a purveyor of hate. It has a very clear definition unlike dunderhead which is meant to downplay the fascist little cunt he was.
What part about us living in a fascist state are you not getting. Open up your eyes for a second. We have a police force abducting legal residents, torturing them, and then sending them to random foreign countries to be imprisoned without a trial.
We are already there and have been for several decades. Did you miss the US toppling democracies and installing fascist dictators for funzies during the Cold War?
I am trying to get it through your white supremacists loving ass that this guy is the shittiest damn martyr ever. A racist asshat who openly advocated for the worst of humanity. A guy that unironically said people have to die to protect the second amendment and then was killed by a gunman.
Maga was already doing it all already, give me a fucking break. All you spew is propaganda and you are acting like a fascist apologist who wants to downplay a racist misogynist loser. Have fun erecting his statue and turning him into a saint.
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Please provide proof massive amounts of people are cheering in the streets or holding block parties he is dead or just do us a favor and shut the fuck up. A few edge lords talking shit is insignificant. It is clear you are spreading propaganda at this point.
A hate monger is a purveyor of hate. It has a very clear definition unlike dunderhead which is meant to downplay the fascist little cunt he was.
What part about us living in a fascist state are you not getting. Open up your eyes for a second. We have a police force abducting legal residents, torturing them, and then sending them to random foreign countries to be imprisoned without a trial.
We are already there and have been for several decades. Did you miss the US toppling democracies and installing fascist dictators for funzies during the Cold War?
I am trying to get it through your white supremacists loving ass that this guy is the shittiest damn martyr ever. A racist asshat who openly advocated for the worst of humanity. A guy that unironically said people have to die to protect the second amendment and then was killed by a gunman.
Maga was already doing it all already, give me a fucking break. All you spew is propaganda and you are acting like a fascist apologist who wants to downplay a racist misogynist loser. Have fun erecting his statue and turning him into a saint.
Listen man, you can be angry all you want, but it's not up to me or you to determine who's a "good" martyr and who isn't. All that matters is that he was popular, and Kirk was VERY popular. Which is why it was such a tremendously stupid idea to make him die for his beliefs.
If he was still alive, he probably would have made a mistake at some point, gotten himself involved in some scandal or another, or otherwise ruined his reputation, but now he'll forever be the guy who got murdered over mere words. The satisfaction will be short lived and the regret will be long, because you can bet they're going to trot him out at every single rally from now on, as the guy that leftism killed because it had no other arguments.
Truly a profoundly stupid idea to be celebrating that.
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Listen man, you can be angry all you want, but it's not up to me or you to determine who's a "good" martyr and who isn't. All that matters is that he was popular, and Kirk was VERY popular. Which is why it was such a tremendously stupid idea to make him die for his beliefs.
If he was still alive, he probably would have made a mistake at some point, gotten himself involved in some scandal or another, or otherwise ruined his reputation, but now he'll forever be the guy who got murdered over mere words. The satisfaction will be short lived and the regret will be long, because you can bet they're going to trot him out at every single rally from now on, as the guy that leftism killed because it had no other arguments.
Truly a profoundly stupid idea to be celebrating that.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Your just pushing that garbage propaganda built on a series of misconceptions.
It is clear that the right could care less, everything is an excuse for them to take away our rights. If it wasn't Kirk it would be some other made up bullshit reason. You fail to see this which is why you fall for the propaganda.
Edit: In regards to George Floyd, could you imagine how many on the right would have lost their jobs if the left was authoritarian shit stains like they are? The right literally still openly mocks and makes fun of his murder. The more I think about this the hollower your words become.
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Your just pushing that garbage propaganda built on a series of misconceptions.
It is clear that the right could care less, everything is an excuse for them to take away our rights. If it wasn't Kirk it would be some other made up bullshit reason. You fail to see this which is why you fall for the propaganda.
Edit: In regards to George Floyd, could you imagine how many on the right would have lost their jobs if the left was authoritarian shit stains like they are? The right literally still openly mocks and makes fun of his murder. The more I think about this the hollower your words become.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I hate to break it to you, but people were in fact fired for openly mocking George Floyd's death. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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I hate to break it to you, but people were in fact fired for openly mocking George Floyd's death. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I counted fifteen people total in the article. Are you fucking joking? They were not saying general things either, straight up racist vile shit and in positions of power like police officers.
Comparing a few people getting fired for racist statements and people getting fired for not praising Kirk are entirely different things and you should be ashamed for even bringing it up.
You might win a shitty conservative debate with garbage like this, but all I see is an apologist of the worst kind.
Kirk's anti-woke mob has already gotten over 100 people fired and counting. They are just getting started. How many major television personalities were fired like Jimmy Kimmel?
Most importantly they are still mocking his death on the regular without consequences.
Edit: Kirk's words about Floyd, "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not."
Wow, so he is allowed the nuance, but everyone who says the same thing about him gets fired. Pathetic.
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I counted fifteen people total in the article. Are you fucking joking? They were not saying general things either, straight up racist vile shit and in positions of power like police officers.
Comparing a few people getting fired for racist statements and people getting fired for not praising Kirk are entirely different things and you should be ashamed for even bringing it up.
You might win a shitty conservative debate with garbage like this, but all I see is an apologist of the worst kind.
Kirk's anti-woke mob has already gotten over 100 people fired and counting. They are just getting started. How many major television personalities were fired like Jimmy Kimmel?
Most importantly they are still mocking his death on the regular without consequences.
Edit: Kirk's words about Floyd, "I am also going to offer some context and some nuance about the death of George Floyd that no one dares to say out loud. Which is that this guy was a scumbag. Now, does that mean he deserves to die? That's two totally different things — of course not."
Wow, so he is allowed the nuance, but everyone who says the same thing about him gets fired. Pathetic.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Let me get this straight: you're cool with a guy getting murdered for exercising his right to freedom of speech, but when people are getting fired for applauding that, that's a bridge too far? Seems a little precious if you ask me.
You can't just demand freedom of speech when it suits you, and disavow it when it doesn't. That's what fascists do.
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Let me get this straight: you're cool with a guy getting murdered for exercising his right to freedom of speech, but when people are getting fired for applauding that, that's a bridge too far? Seems a little precious if you ask me.
You can't just demand freedom of speech when it suits you, and disavow it when it doesn't. That's what fascists do.
Man, you have zero reading comprehension. I am going to do us both a favor at this point.
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Man, you have zero reading comprehension. I am going to do us both a favor at this point.
wrote last edited by [email protected]No, I’m pretty sure I got it right. You believe free speech for the people you agree with, and a bullet to the neck for everyone else. You’re just like any other fascist out there.
