Nintendo has sent a DMCA notice to Ryujinx forks
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I'm not that person you're referring to tho
Ok? My mistake aside, this entire conversation was about how someone thought companies are right to stop people from emulating.
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Just a reminder don't have emulators on GitHub.
I don't like GitHub, but this is simply untrue. We host the PCSX2 project on GitHub, and GitHub even donated some amount at one point to the project. The following major, top-of-class video game console emulators (non-exhaustive) are officially hosted on GitHub:
PlayStation:
- DuckStation (PSX/PSOne)
- PCSX2 (PS2)
- RPCS3 (PS3)
- shadPS4 (PS4)
- PPSSPP (PSP)
- Vita3K (PS Vita)
Xbox:
- xemu (Xbox)
- Xenia (Xbox 360)
Nintendo:
- Mesen (NES etc.)
- bsnes-hd (SNES)
- Mupen64Plus-Next (N64)
- Dolphin (GC/Wii)
- Cemu (Wii U)
- SameBoy (GB/GBC)
- mGBA (GBA)
- melonDS (NDS)
Sega:
- Genesis Plus GX (libretro core for multiple)
- Flycast (Dreamcast)
Atari:
- Stella (Atari 2600)
- Atari800 (Atari 8-bit/Atari 5200)
- A7800 (Atari 7800)
Misc:
- BizHawk
- MAME
- ares
- higan
duckstation works damn fine on my pixel. favorite psx emulator
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What gives them the right to take down emulators? It's just code someone wrote that happens to be able to interpret bytes from a switch cartridge?
Why wouldn't they take down a company like analogue for example for making a hardware level gameboy emulator?
IIRC, part of the argument is that Switch games are encrypted, and the emulator uses real Switch keys to read the games. So Nintendo claims that by using official Nintendo Switch keys, it is violating Nintendo’s copyright and is subject to DMCA claims.
The argument is shaky at best. But the problem with DMCA is that combating it actually requires taking the claimant to court. So that’s a prohibitively long and difficult process, just to be able to go “hey Nintendo doesn’t actually have any claim here. Restore my repo.” Especially when Nintendo has a known history of drawing out long legal battles to exhaust defendants’ time+resources.
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IIRC, part of the argument is that Switch games are encrypted, and the emulator uses real Switch keys to read the games. So Nintendo claims that by using official Nintendo Switch keys, it is violating Nintendo’s copyright and is subject to DMCA claims.
The argument is shaky at best. But the problem with DMCA is that combating it actually requires taking the claimant to court. So that’s a prohibitively long and difficult process, just to be able to go “hey Nintendo doesn’t actually have any claim here. Restore my repo.” Especially when Nintendo has a known history of drawing out long legal battles to exhaust defendants’ time+resources.
From my understanding the repos wouldn't include the keys (or if they did then they definitely shouldn't). But yeah I understand the long legal battle thing.
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yep. why? do you understand the only reason people get an emulator is to pirate roms?
To play games they own on other systems?
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lets say you have spend 10 years making a game. and you put it on steam for $10. but wait. you are making $0 dollars because everyone is just pirating it, and then demanding you make a second one.
Nobody is talking about piracy.
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yep. why? do you understand the only reason people get an emulator is to pirate roms?
So if I want to run some of my old games from before 2000, I need to run a Windows 98 or XP computer, because you think emulators should be illegal? I'm not going to install windows 98 on an actual computer, I emulate it so I can run the games I legally own.
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So if I want to run some of my old games from before 2000, I need to run a Windows 98 or XP computer, because you think emulators should be illegal? I'm not going to install windows 98 on an actual computer, I emulate it so I can run the games I legally own.
That's vastly different. No one is buying a Nintendo game and then downloading ryujinx to play it since you don't download Nintendo games on your PC.
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Nobody is talking about piracy.
Right...... Because not one person ever uses emulators for privacy.... Because it isn't, You know, obviously used for that.
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To play games they own on other systems?
You honestly believe people download emulators to play games they own already? That means they have the console still.......... Sooooo... Oh no you're right. People buy tears of the kingdom and then buy a $1200 PC to run it instead of a switch. My bad. You're totally right. Emulation is in no way linked to liracy whatsoever. Even I haven't pirated 3 million games from all systems. In fact I purchased ALL of my games super legally just so I could emulate them 🫠
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We are literally in a thread about a takedown in GH. But if you go to other sites, they have the repo up.
Suyu, Nuzu, Uzuy, Torzu, and Sudachi have all been taken down. Youtube-dl got taken down until public outcry. The number of takedowns since 2022 have only increased over the years. 2024 being the highest amount.
I'm glad the repos above are not yet being taken down, I truly am. But GitHub is just Microsoft at the end of the day.
We are also on platforms (Lemmy/piefed) that have chosen codeberg over GitHub for their main git hosting.
The issue is more with recent consoles e.g. Switch and Ps5/xbox
Well...If you want to emulate current gen, prepare to deal with consequences.
I believe Sony/MS turn a sort of blind eye to emulators of old gen if they arent hurting sales and being egregious with their presence (e.g. promote what it can do rather than word of mouth) -
The issue is more with recent consoles e.g. Switch and Ps5/xbox
Well...If you want to emulate current gen, prepare to deal with consequences.
I believe Sony/MS turn a sort of blind eye to emulators of old gen if they arent hurting sales and being egregious with their presence (e.g. promote what it can do rather than word of mouth)I think your right as well. Most manufacturers don't actively go after such projects unless they hit the bottom line.
Notable exceptions are old licenced games that may hit rerelease and someone came up with a way to decomp it. The policies are all over the place.
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You honestly believe people download emulators to play games they own already? That means they have the console still.......... Sooooo... Oh no you're right. People buy tears of the kingdom and then buy a $1200 PC to run it instead of a switch. My bad. You're totally right. Emulation is in no way linked to liracy whatsoever. Even I haven't pirated 3 million games from all systems. In fact I purchased ALL of my games super legally just so I could emulate them 🫠
You are wrong. PS4 Emulator is used by most of the Legal Bloodborne Gamer who own game and PS4. To get 60 FPS patches.
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Right...... Because not one person ever uses emulators for privacy.... Because it isn't, You know, obviously used for that.
Steam is not a console? What are you on? If someone is broke he never gonna buy it. After all. I think Piracy make game more popular instead.
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From my understanding the repos wouldn't include the keys (or if they did then they definitely shouldn't). But yeah I understand the long legal battle thing.
Right, Dolphin had an encryption key in there for the Wii that was hardcoded in. That is apparently the one bit of legal leverage Nintendo has to keep it off Steam, though being Nintendo, they would likely fight it, anyway.
In any case, the key could be a user provided configuration option, or tools for ripping games could do the decryption on their own. Either should keep the code safe from Nintendo being able to win a case. Though again, doesn't stop Nintendo from trying and exhausting your ability to fight it.
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You honestly believe people download emulators to play games they own already? That means they have the console still.......... Sooooo... Oh no you're right. People buy tears of the kingdom and then buy a $1200 PC to run it instead of a switch. My bad. You're totally right. Emulation is in no way linked to liracy whatsoever. Even I haven't pirated 3 million games from all systems. In fact I purchased ALL of my games super legally just so I could emulate them 🫠
I didn't buy a $1200 PC to play TotK. I already had a $1200 PC and decided I wanted to use it to play the game I paid for with better performance.
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What gives them the right to take down emulators? It's just code someone wrote that happens to be able to interpret bytes from a switch cartridge?
Why wouldn't they take down a company like analogue for example for making a hardware level gameboy emulator?
Just legal bullying. Good luck fighting an army of lawyers that are also lobbying the system. That being said all of that would be civil suits so if emulator creators don't earn money they don't have much to lose but the ability to continue the work.
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Just legal bullying. Good luck fighting an army of lawyers that are also lobbying the system. That being said all of that would be civil suits so if emulator creators don't earn money they don't have much to lose but the ability to continue the work.
Nintendo got one guy's paychecks garnished for the rest of his life. So even if you have no money there is a lot to lose.
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From my understanding the repos wouldn't include the keys (or if they did then they definitely shouldn't). But yeah I understand the long legal battle thing.
Repos wouldn't include the keys, but they'd include instructions on how to obtain them. Those instructions (according to Nintendo's legal team) are enough to say that Yuzu violates the DMCA.
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That's vastly different. No one is buying a Nintendo game and then downloading ryujinx to play it since you don't download Nintendo games on your PC.
Quote "you understand the only reason people get an emulator is to pirate roms?" is your statement. You're referencing all emulators, hence my comment.
