WaaaaAAALLLEEEeee
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Apple 2 vs. MacBook
Early-2000s PowerMac vs. MacBook
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Walle had the Apple startup chime when he recharged
True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
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I rewatched Wall-E the other day. I forgot just how staggeringly good that movie is. How the hell does every single robot have their own personality. Not to mention how everyone that Wall-E interacts with ends up for the better, after a lil chaos, of course. I cried so many times. I'm 33.
Wall-E functioned
He was definitely not running windows
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Wall-E functioned
He was definitely not running windows
Yeah, he had the mac boot up noise lol
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The irony is that before M1, while they were on x86, Apple computers were not that different than the rest besides having special motherboards and funky firmware. Even ARM now isn't proprietary tech, it just isn't adopted by the others (yet). All in all it's an artificial distinction so that some people can be separated from their money.
I mean, I would put their ARM boxen on par with their PowerPC stuff in terms of proprietary-ness.
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I rewatched Wall-E the other day. I forgot just how staggeringly good that movie is. How the hell does every single robot have their own personality. Not to mention how everyone that Wall-E interacts with ends up for the better, after a lil chaos, of course. I cried so many times. I'm 33.
The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
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The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.
Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?
EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
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Wall-E functioned
He was definitely not running windows
Clearly Linux
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I rewatched Wall-E the other day. I forgot just how staggeringly good that movie is. How the hell does every single robot have their own personality. Not to mention how everyone that Wall-E interacts with ends up for the better, after a lil chaos, of course. I cried so many times. I'm 33.
Ayy, recently rewatched that too. Personal headcannon: a better ending would have been a montage of Eva teaching an amnesiac Wall-E all the things he taught her and have him fall in love with those things and her again in the process. Probably more drawn out than "random electric spark magically resets memory" though
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I mean, I would put their ARM boxen on par with their PowerPC stuff in terms of proprietary-ness.
Kind of, but if (when) Intel/AMD release comparable ARM-based CPUs, Apple vs the rest would be like Intel vs AMD is today. ARM itself is something anyone can pay to get licensed to use.
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True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
I think it was just an Easter egg.
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True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I think Wall-E wasn't running the base OS anymore. All the other Wall-E units had long since stopped functioning. Wall-E was the result of a random mutation of a bug in the code, not the intended normal state.
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The difference between wall-e and eve makes me think of cars. How old and even some modern combustion cars are built well and engineered to be highly modular and user serviceable. EVs are highly proprietary. They rely on closed systems that can’t practically be serviced without special equipment.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m NOT a fan of fossil fuels at all. I just don’t like how cars have been slowly morphing into proprietary unreliable cellphone-like commodities, or how the push towards EVs seems to be accelerating that trend.
A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
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I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.
Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?
EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
Oh, sweet summer child...
Of course you can introduce all kinds of serialization and parts pairing just like you do on any other device. Below is a fairly mild example, but just look at all the bullshit John Deere is pulling on their tractor repair or the BMW where the car will intentionally malfunction if you don't replace your battery at a dealership.
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True. It was also an extremely commercialized capitalist dystopian future. I doubt Linux was being used, and there’s no way Microsoft could create something with WALL-E’s long uptime and low maintenance.
Companies taking advantage of Linux to create locked down, proprietary systems is pretty common. For example, Android is Linux. Many smart TVs run some flavor of Linux. E.g. Tizen from Samsung is Linux based. If a company can short cut the software development process and licensing costs by using Linux, that's often a first choice. So, my bet would be on Wall-E running on a version of Linux.
The dystopian part would be that the company locked it's drivers behind a closed source model, and only included highly obscured binaries on Wall-E's OS. Motors and controllers would be non-standard, requiring closed source firmware and the hardware would refuse to work with any software which isn't signed by an original manufacturer's digital certificate. Using an unsigned binary would blow a fuse in Wall-E's CPU, killing him.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer.
I do not share such faith in the manufacturer that made the black box spaghetti.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
Yes, exactly! We are just going to see more of this as time passes and I hate it. Idk what I can to about it other than buy cars that do less of this. Not that my one purchase every other decade really matters.
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I don't know much at all about the EV industry, especially how their technology differs between manufacturers. But does that really matter, strictly speaking? Like the majority of "other" repairs are going to be just as uniform as traditional vehicles; things like tire changes, brakes, suspension, and whatever else I'm not smart enough to know about.
Other than the actual engine itself, can that other stuff really be fully proprietary, or non-servicable?
EDIT: I'm realizing that I didn't really clarify the distinction of "should" vs "does". I recognize that a huge amount of right to repair bullshit comes from companies being intentionally obtuse/greedy. What I meant to question was whether these restrictions on serviceability actually have merit, or if it's strictly enshittification being brought into the auto world.
I’m the sort of person who enjoys doing things myself when it comes to my car. It isn’t just a tinkering hobby to me. My car is a huge source for feelings of safety and control. Theoretically, I could tear down and rebuild almost everything on my car with a socket wrench set. Obviously it’s more complicated than that and as other people have mentioned there are some modern combustion cars that are massively complicated just to stop people like myself from getting into them. EVs on the other hand are way easier to lock down because the whole power train is basically a black box connected to a battery and operated by an app. Sure the breaks and wheels are the same but nearly everything else is either black boxed (motor and controls) or gone completely (transmission and drive train)which makes the car as a whole less fixable / modable. This makes me feel less safe having to rely on one.
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Walle had the Apple startup chime when he recharged
Yeah, it was a warning against Apple and that was the nod to it.
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A modern high-end BMW can have over a hundred separate ECUs (microcontrollers). All communicating over multiple CAN and FlexRay networks. The complexity is mind boggling, just so you can have subscription based seat heating and other nonsense.
No technician on Earth will be able to debug this black box spaghetti except the manufacturer. If you try to access/reprogram one of these chips (as you should be able as you OWN the damn thing), the microcontroller has OTP (one time programmable) memory that ensures the device can physically brick itself should you try.
Bmw is dogshit but even when they had 7 computers they were so amazingly ass backwards they had to have chassis diag specialists for each of their higher end models.
