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Can I get one for Astarion?

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  • capt_wolf@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

    Ummm... Because shadows aren't a solid mass. They're just where light isn't. So even in a case where a vampire casts a shadow, it wouldn't matter, mirrors still work in the dark.

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    mirrors still work in the dark.

    I mean, do they? Mirrors reflect light. If there's no light then there's nothing for the mirror to do.

    This is like saying a water wheel works without water. No it doesn't, it just sits there.

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    • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

      Do vampires cast a shadow? Because if they cast a shadow, would they actually be able to see through themselves in a mirror, or would they just see a big void in the shape of their body as the light from behind them hits their body but not the mirror? 🤔

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      Idk about vampire lore but if they are invisible in mirror it means light passes through them undisturbed and therefore they shouldn't cast a shadow. But with the same logic they would be invisible altogether so it being exclusive to mirrors is a wild thing...

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        i think it should be a concave mirror with a focal point on your retina for it to work

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        Nah, doesn't have to be. Just try putting a mirror very close to your eye, but angled sideways. You will be able to focus onto anything you want without issue. Because you aren't focussing at the mirror, but at the thing you look at.

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          Pretty sure your eyes can't focus on anything that close. Nice try

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          Try it out. Take a mirror, put it very close to your eye but angled sideways, since you can obviously not look through your head.

          You will have no issues at all focussing on what you are looking at, since you aren't looking at the mirror at all.

          You can also try that while looking at yourself through a dirty mirror. You can either focus on the dirt on the mirror or on your face. You can't see both the dirt and your face in focus at the same time.

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            Pretty sure your eyes can't focus on anything that close. Nice try

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            I had a pair of glasses that had mirrors on the far sides of them and they worked rather well.

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            • kolanaki@pawb.socialK [email protected]

              Mirrors work by reflecting light. If the light isn't passing through the vampire from behind to hit the mirror, it cannot reflect it. If a vampire casts a shadow, this implies that light does not pass through them. For them to not reflect in a mirror, but still be able to see what is behind them, light would need to pass through their body, which would mean they also would not cast a shadow.

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              We could say that vampires don’t have a material body and they just alter the wavelength of light that passes through them to project a living form towards the eyes of living observers. That way they could be visible without having a reflection.

              Then they could give themselves a shadow by shifting the visible light from bright light sources into infrared or ultraviolet instead of blocking it as material objects do.

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                Nah, doesn't have to be. Just try putting a mirror very close to your eye, but angled sideways. You will be able to focus onto anything you want without issue. Because you aren't focussing at the mirror, but at the thing you look at.

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                alright fair enough

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                  I'm nothing if not dangerously committed to incredibly bad science

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                    This belongs in What We Do In The Shadows.

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                      I'll keep this in mind if I ever become a vampire.

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                      • S [email protected]

                        Surely, they must take in fluids besides blood, right? Otherwise they'd shrivel up!

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                        Blood is mostly water.

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                          Pretty sure they just poured silver nitrate over glass. You can still buy kits to do that to re-silver old mirrors for the original look. From what I can find, the layered ones were older, and they used tin and mercury which made breaking a mirror a rather unlucky event.

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                          Huh, so 7 years bad luck was actually just heavy metal poisoning? Fascinating...

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                            Pretty sure they just poured silver nitrate over glass. You can still buy kits to do that to re-silver old mirrors for the original look. From what I can find, the layered ones were older, and they used tin and mercury which made breaking a mirror a rather unlucky event.

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                            I'm sure there are varying methods, but typically you silver the back of glass to make a mirror

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                              Vampires also have ultra instance senses, so they don't need to look.behind them

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                                Vampires also have ultra instance senses, so they don't need to look.behind them

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                                Something a vampire-hunter might say 🤔

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                                  Idk about vampire lore but if they are invisible in mirror it means light passes through them undisturbed and therefore they shouldn't cast a shadow. But with the same logic they would be invisible altogether so it being exclusive to mirrors is a wild thing...

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                                  I always thought the lore was that they could not see themselves in a mirror and that was misinterpreted as they did not have a reflection. First one could just be a mental block or they just don't recognize their reflections as themselves.

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                                    I always thought the lore was that they could not see themselves in a mirror and that was misinterpreted as they did not have a reflection. First one could just be a mental block or they just don't recognize their reflections as themselves.

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                                    yeah that would really make much more sense than the other one

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                                      Most use aluminium nowadays afaik.

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                                      I'm not certain, can't find any reliable info on this.
                                      Shops don't seem to specify the reflective material. In addition, aluminium is commonly used to describe the frame, and silver as a color for the frame or other parts, making it hard to get any info on the sales side.

                                      On the production-tech side, I see some pages talk only about silver, others mention both silver and aluminium. Silver commonly has a description of the chemical process at times (silver nitrate silvering), haven't seen one for aluminium yet.

                                      Price wise, metal should be fully opaque around 10nm. Assuming a generous 100nm thickness, that makes 0.1€/m² worth of silver. I doubt material cost is a factor.

                                      Performance wise, silver seems better than aluminium in its reflectance. Honestly I don't get why anyone would be making aluminium mirrors.

                                      Does anyone have more info on this?

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                                        I'm sure there are varying methods, but typically you silver the back of glass to make a mirror

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                                        I think you are right. I keep finding different ways they did it, so sounds like the 1800s was a busy period in the development of mirror technology!

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                                          Surely, they must take in fluids besides blood, right? Otherwise they'd shrivel up!

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                                          Actually when irl blood feeders (such as vampire bats) feed, they need to constantly keep pissing while sucking blood, so as not to burst from the volume of liquid they're feeding off of.

                                          Because blood is relatively nutrition poor. Just mostly water with an irony taste. (Uh.. I wouldn't know personally ofc. Uhm, a friend told me. A human friend, as all we humans have.)

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