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When rich people can edit their kids DNA won't that just lock everyone else out and create a new class?

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    CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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      CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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      The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.

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        CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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        Yes.

        But it’s already here. Education is already doing what you’re fearing. Rich people tend to have access to better education and thus having access to better salaries, positions, etc.

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          The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.

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          Tbh, I think GATTACA barely touched the topic. It focussed so much on the brothers' rivalry that you could strip out the genetic engineering part and it'd barely change the movie

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            Yes.

            But it’s already here. Education is already doing what you’re fearing. Rich people tend to have access to better education and thus having access to better salaries, positions, etc.

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            True but this will accelerate it i guess.

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              Tbh, I think GATTACA barely touched the topic. It focussed so much on the brothers' rivalry that you could strip out the genetic engineering part and it'd barely change the movie

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              I really can't imagine what China is doing..

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                CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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                ha, dude this already exists. you can almost reliably determine success by zip code, because poor people dont deserve healthcare or education or to do anything but work their fingers to the bone to stay alive.

                the whole genetic piece is just the final chapter

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                  makes you wonder

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                    CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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                    When?

                    Why do you think so many use surrogates now?

                    They're 100% at least doing illegal selections, but I would be shocked if none of them are doing out right editing.

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                      CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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                      Here’s a scarier thought, if they can fine tune this shit enough they’ll probably just clone themselves and pull a ship of Theseus on themselves. Removing the only remaining equalizer between them and the rest of humanity.

                      The rich fucks at the top want to become gods. They won’t call it that but that’s the end game for the ones with the most hand on the wheel.

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                        When?

                        Why do you think so many use surrogates now?

                        They're 100% at least doing illegal selections, but I would be shocked if none of them are doing out right editing.

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                        It already exists im sure, but I guess they take the risks for long-term consequences.

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                          Tbh, I think GATTACA barely touched the topic. It focussed so much on the brothers' rivalry that you could strip out the genetic engineering part and it'd barely change the movie

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                          Yeah it’s a cool movie but the message of systemic disadvantages don’t matter if you try hard enough is a little questionable at best.

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                            Here’s a scarier thought, if they can fine tune this shit enough they’ll probably just clone themselves and pull a ship of Theseus on themselves. Removing the only remaining equalizer between them and the rest of humanity.

                            The rich fucks at the top want to become gods. They won’t call it that but that’s the end game for the ones with the most hand on the wheel.

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                            I'll be dead, humanity is fucked as i see it but things could change i guess.

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                              Here’s a scarier thought, if they can fine tune this shit enough they’ll probably just clone themselves and pull a ship of Theseus on themselves. Removing the only remaining equalizer between them and the rest of humanity.

                              The rich fucks at the top want to become gods. They won’t call it that but that’s the end game for the ones with the most hand on the wheel.

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                              That is just having heirs with more steps.

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                                The plot of the film Gattaca explores this, the idea of what society looks like when there's a class of genetically engineered, "superior" people, vs. the naturally born, "inferior" class.

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                                Is that the movie about (sorry for the bad synopsis) Where the guy vacuums his work desk because he wants to go to space?

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                                  I really can't imagine what China is doing..

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                                  ...did you respond to the wrong comment?

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                                    ...did you respond to the wrong comment?

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                                    I mean with CRISPR..

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                                      CRISPR and other tools aren’t science fiction anymore. If the wealthy get there first, what happens to everyone else?

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                                      My answer is this: sooner than I'd like, it will be possible to create custom nano 'devices'. They won't call it what it is, but the gist will be that we can manufacture cellular level machines that target incredibly specific genes as well as strands and sequences of very specific variations and mutations of the human genome.

                                      yes, always expect the 'wealthy' to continue to use the power of their birthright to further elevate themselves above the people 'below' them.

                                      At the same time, they'll probably end up leaving tell tale changes in their genetic code that can/will be targeted.

                                      The ultimate irony is that without genetic changes, there is no evolution.

                                      The rich and powerful will homogenize themselves into obsolescence

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                                        Yes.

                                        But it’s already here. Education is already doing what you’re fearing. Rich people tend to have access to better education and thus having access to better salaries, positions, etc.

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                                        Yep. Learned behavior is where human evolution actually happens; it's our specialization, our niche as big brained, highly social, linguistic apes. Don't gotta wait for random genetic changes that happen to encode useful new instincts. We just learn them from one another. Significantly speedier.

                                        If rich people go mucking about with their genomes, it's much more likely to backfire in unforeseen ways than to actually instill any sort of advantage. Genes are a messy, messy, messy means of encoding things.

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                                          My answer is this: sooner than I'd like, it will be possible to create custom nano 'devices'. They won't call it what it is, but the gist will be that we can manufacture cellular level machines that target incredibly specific genes as well as strands and sequences of very specific variations and mutations of the human genome.

                                          yes, always expect the 'wealthy' to continue to use the power of their birthright to further elevate themselves above the people 'below' them.

                                          At the same time, they'll probably end up leaving tell tale changes in their genetic code that can/will be targeted.

                                          The ultimate irony is that without genetic changes, there is no evolution.

                                          The rich and powerful will homogenize themselves into obsolescence

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                                          Nano devices will be called medication. explain the tale tale changes in thier genetic code that will be targeted.

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