OpenAI's move to allow generating "Ghibly stlye" images isn't just a cute PR stunt. It is an expression of dominance and the will to reject and refuse democratic values. It is a display of power
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Potentially unpopular opinion, but I don't think art or artstyles should be copyrighted.
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So, to recap, your position is this:
Artists do not deserve the respect that would allow them to be creative unfettered. Gotcha.
Artists never needed anyone's respect to be creative: the suggestion is belittling to artists.
The real point is the article fails to argue well.
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Does OpenAI offer the same service in Disney "'Mickey Mousify"
And how has that played out.
It's a sincere question (I don't know) though i admit to not trying to learn, as I've never played with any of the AI tools
I googled it for you. Yes, they advertise "From Studio Ghibli, Pixar, and Disney Classics to The Simpsons, South Park, and more."
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Cool, another preachy argument that jumps to irrational conclusions.
Because Ghibli?It is a display of power: You as an artist, an animator, an illustrator, a writer, any creative person are powerless. We will take what we want and do what we want. Because we can.
Uh…we always could & did.
Imitators have been doing that since always, long before LLMs.
No one owns an art style.This is the idea of might makes right. The banner that every totalitarian and fascist government rallied under.
That's the argument?
Plagiarism & imitating art styles is fascism?
Wow!Please make the word fascism more meaningless.
Exactly this is so frustrating that people fall in for copyright propaganda just because "big tech is bad".
Ghibli doesn't own a style. It has sbeen made by thousands of animators and millions of illustrations and influences before them.
This is not the way to get back at big tech.
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Potentially unpopular opinion, but I don't think art or artstyles should be copyrighted.
They aren't, thankfully
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OpenAI picked Studio Ghibli because Miyazaki hates their approach.
I highly doubt it. They picked it because the Ghibli style is very popular among users. There’s also no reason to believe that it violates “democratic values”. Since it’s popular, the general population is voting that they LIKE it, not that they oppose it.
Downvote me all you like, but this is trying to put a lot of malice where the simpler explanation is just “money”.
Yeah the text makes many freestyle assumptions, although the overall sentiment is correct that these big companies and especially egocentric billionaires do stuff to trigger others simply for power display. I believe the text linked about it being a distraction for the new round of funding is the real reason.
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So glad people finally waking up to these things being power plays.
Republicans, Evangelical Christians, and now Techbros are run on the same script which boils down to "rules for thee, not for me."
Being a hypocrite is simply showing others you have the power to be a hypocrite and all they can do is get mad and stop their feet. It's why the right wing loves to "trigger liberals." It's not even about actual politics or religion anymore, it's just simply "might makes right."
These are expressions of power, plain and simple. They should always be viewed as such.
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But they don't have to rely on personal connections to rig the price of potatoes: they do it through a third-party data-broker called Potatotrac. Each cartel member sends all their commercially sensitive data – supply costs, pricing, sales figures – to Potatotrac, and then Potatotrac uses that data to give "advice" to the cartel members about "optimal pricing."
This is the real sick stuff, same with RealPage. They're just offering a service that could allow the businesses they serve to collude, but because they're just doing it through a third party service it's suddenly not collusion.
Doctorow pretty spot on as usual. I'm glad he's come a long way, because I actually kind of disliked his writing on Boing Boing in the early 2000's because he often got some simple facts wrong. He's much more thorough and rigorous now.
This kind of price-fixing was central to the enforcement actions of the Biden administration's trustbusters at the FTC, and their investigations and actions inspired state AGs and private parties to bring their own antitrust suits.
Saddest part of that article. We had someone trying to end this shit, and you brainwashed fuckers hated him for it.
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Will you guys shut up about this?
There are genuinely some big issues with AI that need to be addressed but they are drowned out by morons melting down over people making dumb little Ghibli style images for their own amusement.
Shout about insurance companies using AI to auto dent people's medical claims, not about some dude Turnjng a picture of his cat into anime style
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Mostly youtube, reddit and image search. I guess I could just record a Netflix stream if I needed the whole movie. I guess recording a Netflix stream is pirating? Probably easier with a torrent.
What does it matters? I don't think pirating is unethical especially when it's not even redistribution but transformative. Openai has never stopped me from pirating or even asked me to stop. Not sure what you mean with "no one else".
You ever ask yourself if the memes made from movie scenes used pirated media?
Yes recording at Netflix stream is pirating. That you got away with it doesn't mean you couldn't be sued for tens of thousands of someone found out.
You don't think it's unethical but it is illegal in the US and people have been sued for thousands of dollars. This is still going on today: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/02/isp-sued-by-record-labels-agrees-to-identify-100-users-accused-of-piracy/
OpenAI has said they need to violate copyright. But they didn't say that the law should be changed. They want an exemption for themselves.
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What pirate bay is doing isn't exactly transformative. I pirate most of my media and can't say I'm not for better copyright laws and a better treatment of pirate bay, I just think the situations are different.
I don't think saying "if pirate bay is illegal, so should training ai without compensations" is exactly fair. (I wish the actual people contributing could be compensated, but how it's set up, we would be giving a few companies a monopoly while compensating mostly data aggregators.)
Reforms don't have to be pro-corporate slop.
Sadly, the media and most of the population is practically begging for it. When you couple that with the pressure exerted by record companies, publishing houses, etc, it is clear those are the reforms we get if any.
If you download a movie from a torrent site, you have committed an illegal act in the US. It doesn't matter if you watch the movie and then write a fanfiction based on the movie. It's the copying that's illegal. It seems clear from OpenAI's statements that they torrented the data they used to build their models.
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Artists never needed anyone's respect to be creative: the suggestion is belittling to artists.
The real point is the article fails to argue well.
I didn't say they needed respect to be creative. I said they needed respect to be creative unfettered.
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So glad people finally waking up to these things being power plays.
Republicans, Evangelical Christians, and now Techbros are run on the same script which boils down to "rules for thee, not for me."
Being a hypocrite is simply showing others you have the power to be a hypocrite and all they can do is get mad and stop their feet. It's why the right wing loves to "trigger liberals." It's not even about actual politics or religion anymore, it's just simply "might makes right."
These are expressions of power, plain and simple. They should always be viewed as such.
White collar crime is always ignored as long as it doesn’t rock the boat too much or isn’t stealing money from the wealthy.
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I didn't say they needed respect to be creative. I said they needed respect to be creative unfettered.
they needed respect to be creative unfettered
Respectfully, I don't see what unfettered here is adding.
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As an artist, when people imitate me, I take it as flattery.
When a machine imitates me, I take it as an insult to life itself.
When a machine imitates me, I take it as an insult to life itself.
I might be flattered that someone bothered to make a machine do that.
Massaging software to do that also takes skill?When GitHub Copilot lifts my opensource code, I'm not offended.
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OpenAI picked Studio Ghibli because Miyazaki hates their approach.
I highly doubt it. They picked it because the Ghibli style is very popular among users. There’s also no reason to believe that it violates “democratic values”. Since it’s popular, the general population is voting that they LIKE it, not that they oppose it.
Downvote me all you like, but this is trying to put a lot of malice where the simpler explanation is just “money”.
no reason to believe it violates "democratic values"
In my country the law is one of the pillars of democracy, but you do you
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they needed respect to be creative unfettered
Respectfully, I don't see what unfettered here is adding.
I clarified by editing the earlier comment to request to explain the logic.Do you know what the word unfettered means?
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Artists never needed anyone's respect to be creative: the suggestion is belittling to artists.
The real point is the article fails to argue well.
I'm suggesting that disrespecting an artists wishes causes them unnecessary struggles which in turn unnecessarily makes it more difficult for them to do their work.
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If people only did what they should, then many acceptable actions would not get done.
Art & leisure or posting here are optional: there's no should there.
It is a fallacy of modal logic to claim an action that is not one that should be done is an action that should not be done.There's no reason you should post here, yet you did.
Does that mean you're "devoid of any morals" & "lack the integrity expected of a contributing adult"?Imitation & derivative works hardly rise to anything worth fussing over & losing total perspective.
If you pay attention, all human creativity is derivative, nothing is truly original.
Works build on & reference each other.
Techniques get refined.
It's why we have genres.
From the Epic of Gilgamesh & ancient mythology to modern storytelling, or the development of perspective in graphical works across time, there's a clear process of imitation & development across all of it.You know, I didn't actually read your comment, but I glanced through enough to know you're just making excuses for shitty behavior due to a lack of integrity.
the way it was written follows a pretty well known pattern, and I'm almost positive it was mostly written by an LLM.
sad really, people put effort into their responses on here and people who use LLMs just come along with some generated garbage and shit all over the platform.
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Figures. The wealthy could never fully buy power with just wealth, there was always someone smarter that was a threat. Now, they can just buy intelligence, thanks to AI, and crush everything else with their sheer weight.
Is this the great filter? The ultimate fate of all species?
No the great filter is quite a lot more basic than that, things like unstable atmospheres, cosmic ray bursts, collisions, etc.
You're on the right track though
