Heritage Foundation and Allies Discuss Dismantling the EU
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That's pretty much my view. The extreme right in Europe and the US also forms a collaborative network itself, though, with events like CPAC. I'd be more afraid of the US than of Russia, honestly.
For the past 10 years would I have to disagree. US conservatives didn't give much of a shit about what was going on in Europe, while Putin scored many wins strategically working with right-wing groups throughout Europe, culminating in Brexit, and no doubt trying to set the stage for the invasion of Ukraine. (Which was supposed to be over within a day by toppling the government in Kyiv.)
For the future, we'll see. This is definitely a worrying development. It seems half of the US political establishment and about a third of the populace is determined to treat us as enemies simply because it fits their internal propaganda, no matter how much damage it does to US foreign policy. This means that bargaining is useless, and it seems at least that most European governments have internalized this, even though they may hope this state of affairs will pass.
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Alright guys, it’s time to roll out the guillotines again
I hear certain parts of the European Union can teach us a thing or two about those!
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To be honest, the entire idea that you could use a loose cannon like Trump as an agent is pretty stupid by itself. The man doesn’t have a clue in the morning what he’ll be saying in the evening. The ‘evidence’ is one guy, as far as I’ve gathered, but feel free to make the case.
Outside of ‘the evil Russians rule the world’, there are plenty of reasons for the way Trump is acting. I think what we’re seeing is more a return (or an attempted return, anyway) of 19th/early 20th century thinking in spheres of influence, where Trump thinks it’s alright that Russia ‘gets’ Ukraine as part of it’s sphere of influence, if America gets Canada and Greenland. Whether it’ll actually work this way is another question, of course (I actually doubt it will). We don’t actually know how Trumps presidency will actually develop. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump actually will end up getting mad at Putin if he doesn’t play by his rules.
I look at Trump having meetings with Putin where none of Trump's advisors were allowed to attend, no transcripts were published, and I think they even used only Russian translators.
So either Trump is controlling Putin, or Putin is controlling Trump. I know which way to bet.
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I look at Trump having meetings with Putin where none of Trump's advisors were allowed to attend, no transcripts were published, and I think they even used only Russian translators.
So either Trump is controlling Putin, or Putin is controlling Trump. I know which way to bet.
I look at Trump barely being able to utter a coherent English sentence, and I doubt he could control even himself.
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To be honest, the entire idea that you could use a loose cannon like Trump as an agent is pretty stupid by itself. The man doesn’t have a clue in the morning what he’ll be saying in the evening. The ‘evidence’ is one guy, as far as I’ve gathered, but feel free to make the case.
Outside of ‘the evil Russians rule the world’, there are plenty of reasons for the way Trump is acting. I think what we’re seeing is more a return (or an attempted return, anyway) of 19th/early 20th century thinking in spheres of influence, where Trump thinks it’s alright that Russia ‘gets’ Ukraine as part of it’s sphere of influence, if America gets Canada and Greenland. Whether it’ll actually work this way is another question, of course (I actually doubt it will). We don’t actually know how Trumps presidency will actually develop. I wouldn’t be surprised if Trump actually will end up getting mad at Putin if he doesn’t play by his rules.
You don't understand Putin's strategy. Controlling America would be great, but he doesn't have to control it, he just has to throw it into chaos, so that its outsized influence in the world is destroyed. Then they can establish a new world order in which Sociopathic Oligarchs run the world instead nations. If they succeed, every Sociopathic Oligarch becomes his own little King, free from the restrictions of his nation's laws. That's why every billionaire is on board, and why we should prohibit billionaires, if we even survive this.
In 1997, Alexander Dugin published Foundations in Geopolitics, which has become the Russian playbook. It is taught at the Russian Officer's School, and Putin keeps a copy in his office. Dugin is a highly influential advisor to Putin. His daughter rose to be an extremely influential member of the Russian Intelligence agency. She was killed by a car bomb few years ago, which as meant for her father, who was saved when he went back to retrieve his umbrella.
Foundations of Geopolitics describes how Russia can become the dominant world influence without firing a shot. Each geographical region of the world has its own plan. For America, the plan is:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instabilty and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic conflict, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
Sound familiar? It perfectly describes the growing divisions in this country in the 21st century. How can you call this a coincidence?
Of particular interest is the very first line: "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States..." What does that mean? What "special forces" had Russia planted in America in 1997, when this book was published. We now know that the FBI was aware of Russian moles in America as early as 2000, but these people were quietly placed in sensitive positions to get access to information. They weren't the kind of "special forces" intended to sow chaos.
OTOH, Trump was a friend to the Russians since 1987, when he visited SOVIET Russia, and was given the designation Agent Krasnov. Soon after that visit, he began parroting Russian propaganda talking points and laundering money for Russian Oligarchs/Mobsters. It is likely that Agent Krasnov was at least one of the "special forces" referred to.
Now he is president again, and this time he came into office prepared with a plan - Project 2025. Our government is being systematically and recklessly dismantled, and we are quickly careening toward chaos. The day the first Social Security payment is missed, which will be soon, America will come apart at the seams.
It all fits the plan for America in The Foundation of Geopolitics. We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
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The group that drafted a key blueprint for Donald Trump’s second term convened a meeting in Washington D.C. this week to consider proposals for bulldozing the European Union (EU).
The Polish investigative outlet VSquare revealed that the Heritage Foundation gathered hardline conservative groups on 11 March to hear how they would overhaul the current structures of the EU.
The “closed-door workshop” featured a debate on a new paper produced by the lobby groups MCC and Ordo Iuris entitled: “The Great Reset: Restoring Member State Sovereignty in the 21st Century”.
I really think any countries which may try to leave the eu should think about how well that went for Britan.
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This is America, sniper rifles would be more useful.
They already tried that. We forgot about that guy because a much more attractive shooter caught our attention.
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.4. Shoot Geert Wilders and the rest of the pvv.
Isn't he the "We Heeben een serrious probleem" guy?
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Pretty sure the USA have been doing extraditions and puting prisoners in off-side camps (Guantanamo anyone) since long before trump.
Sure they have, i remember the 9/11 aftermath, and Abu Ghraib, very well. But we didnt brag about it, we didnt prepare video packages to be distributed to the news media. They knew what they were doing was inhumane and they tried to hide it. They werent PROUD of it, like these MAGANazis.
Also, there is a huge difference in what happened before, and what they are planning for in the future. America has the highest incarceration rate in the world. Our maximum security prisons average around 800-1200 inmates. The largest, in Angola, LA holds about 8300.
Guantanamo Bay holds less than 150, but they are currently building a facility there that will hold 30,000 people, almost 4 times larger than our largest maximum security prison, which itself is about 4 times larger than average.
Clearly they are planning to house an enormous number of people in a facility in CUBA, which is under the purview of the Russians, and outside the view of the courts and the media. Why would they need a facility to hold 30,000 people if they are going to deport them all? It seems like a place that large will be used for long-term detainment, and what's the point of that for illegals? They'll just get sent home. More and more, we are seeing lightning fast deportations, and it becomes clear that these cells will be holding political enemies who have broken Trump's new Executive Orders.
2 days ago, he did a formal, scheduled media appearance with his AG Bondi, in which he very clearly stated that he will be going after the people who investigated his ties to Russia, the Insurrection, the Stolen Documents, etc., he specifically said that they "belong in prison."
When a President takes the time to make a formal announcement to the media, with his AG at his side, that is NOT simple political rhetoric, nor partisan gamesmanship. It is the announcement of a new policy, and he just announced that he intends to imprison his political enemies.
They've already arrested that Palestinian activest from Columbia U, who literally broke no laws, who has a green card, is married to an American who is 8 months pregnant, and they won't let him see a lawyer. They are testing the waters by muddying his case up with undocumented migrants. If nobody speaks up much, then they'll move to the next level, and start rounding up American dissidents. You can bet that they going over case files right now, looking for the best test candidates to detain.
Bottom line is that the difference between the past and now is that in the past they were disappearing foreign terrorists. Now they intend on disappearing American citizens, and a LOT of them.
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They already tried that. We forgot about that guy because a much more attractive shooter caught our attention.
Nah, we all know that was obviously staged.
Besides, I'm not talking about one dumb kid who doesnt know how to shoot, I'm talking about Patriots stalking MAGA Nazis all over the country, and making them worry that every time they step out of their house, they have to worry that there's a sniper on a roof or in the distant tree line. They're all abject cowards; how devoted to the cause will they be if they know that being an elected MAGANazi carries a potential death sentence?
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It's not the first and it's not going to be the last.
Most EU members are small and easy to bully for a country the size of the US if on their own (and in fact many were bullied by the US before becoming EU members) and even the mid-sized ones could be pushed around, but a block of 470 million people with a larger GDP than the US cannot be pushed around just like that, so it's absolutely in the best interests of the elites which control the US and a very large fraction of its Economy (and hence stand to gain the most from any bullying by the US of other nations) to want to dismantle any association of small and middle sized countries that makes them capable of dealing with the US as equals.
Why do you think it was wealthy Americans who funded the Leave side of the Leave Referendum in Britain (for example, by paying Cambridge Analitica to use Facebook to manipulate people into voting Leave)?! It's just that, no doubt to their great disappointment, removing Britain from the EU did not significantly weaken the EU, only Britain, and they already had vast influence in British politics so don't really gain much from Britain leaving the herd to go out all on its own.
shit like this reminds me how much I love the EU
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Nah, we all know that was obviously staged.
Besides, I'm not talking about one dumb kid who doesnt know how to shoot, I'm talking about Patriots stalking MAGA Nazis all over the country, and making them worry that every time they step out of their house, they have to worry that there's a sniper on a roof or in the distant tree line. They're all abject cowards; how devoted to the cause will they be if they know that being an elected MAGANazi carries a potential death sentence?
I mean, I'd believe that it was staged now, but what about the spectator that died? Collatoral damage? (I mean that seriously btw.)
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You don't understand Putin's strategy. Controlling America would be great, but he doesn't have to control it, he just has to throw it into chaos, so that its outsized influence in the world is destroyed. Then they can establish a new world order in which Sociopathic Oligarchs run the world instead nations. If they succeed, every Sociopathic Oligarch becomes his own little King, free from the restrictions of his nation's laws. That's why every billionaire is on board, and why we should prohibit billionaires, if we even survive this.
In 1997, Alexander Dugin published Foundations in Geopolitics, which has become the Russian playbook. It is taught at the Russian Officer's School, and Putin keeps a copy in his office. Dugin is a highly influential advisor to Putin. His daughter rose to be an extremely influential member of the Russian Intelligence agency. She was killed by a car bomb few years ago, which as meant for her father, who was saved when he went back to retrieve his umbrella.
Foundations of Geopolitics describes how Russia can become the dominant world influence without firing a shot. Each geographical region of the world has its own plan. For America, the plan is:
Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States and Canada to fuel instabilty and separatism against neoliberal globalist Western hegemony, such as, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists" to create severe backlash against the rotten political state of affairs in the current present-day system of the United States and Canada. Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic conflict, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements - extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics.
Sound familiar? It perfectly describes the growing divisions in this country in the 21st century. How can you call this a coincidence?
Of particular interest is the very first line: "Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States..." What does that mean? What "special forces" had Russia planted in America in 1997, when this book was published. We now know that the FBI was aware of Russian moles in America as early as 2000, but these people were quietly placed in sensitive positions to get access to information. They weren't the kind of "special forces" intended to sow chaos.
OTOH, Trump was a friend to the Russians since 1987, when he visited SOVIET Russia, and was given the designation Agent Krasnov. Soon after that visit, he began parroting Russian propaganda talking points and laundering money for Russian Oligarchs/Mobsters. It is likely that Agent Krasnov was at least one of the "special forces" referred to.
Now he is president again, and this time he came into office prepared with a plan - Project 2025. Our government is being systematically and recklessly dismantled, and we are quickly careening toward chaos. The day the first Social Security payment is missed, which will be soon, America will come apart at the seams.
It all fits the plan for America in The Foundation of Geopolitics. We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.
How can you call this a coincidence?
You’re putting words in my mouth, but I won’t believe current developments in the US are the results of the Russians if a causative relationship hasn’t been established.
Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.
This is all a of completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.
We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.
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Polish your Critical Thinking Skills, and hone your Google-Fu. You need to do more research.
You need to talk to people in a less condescending manner. I explicitly asked for more information (‘feel free to make the case’) and laid out an alternative explanation, there’s nothing ‘uncritical’ about that. I haven’t a clue what ‘Google-Fu’ is supposed to mean. I get my information from reputable Dutch and German newspapers.
How can you call this a coincidence?
You’re putting words in my mouth, but I won’t believe current developments in the US are the results of the Russians if a causative relationship hasn’t been established.
Again, I don’t doubt these are the aims of the Russian government, but Russian campaigns are probably fuelling processes that were going on in the US anyway. In the Netherlands, Russians don’t really need to do anything as indigenous racist elements like Wilders have it easy enough as is to harnass these underlying discomforts with ‘the other’, whatever form they may take. Attacks against Turkish immigrants (‘guest workers’) happened in the seventies, there always was an underlying current.
This is all a of completely different order than the claim I’ve been hearing often, that Trump is a literal Putin agent, and I don’t buy it. The agent Krasnov claim came from one guy, as far as I know. Not very convincing, but this what I was actually referring to when I said ‘feel free to make a case’, as I haven’t found this to be very convincing - and I especially haven’t seen convincing evidence.
We saw how he was a supplicant to Putin during his first term, and we know Trump and Musk were both in close contact with Putin during the Biden years. We know that nearly everyone in Trump's orbit during his first term (Flynn, Manafort, et al) were so involved with the Russians that many went to prison for what essentially amounts to treason. All of that, and much more, and you still think Trump's connections to Putin/Russia are doubtful?
I didn’t, as I’m Dutch and I dislike following American news. I’ve heard it indeed seems to be the case that Russian narratives work well in the Trump camp. Still, I’m quite sure that if Russia starts following a foreign policy that isn’t compatible with what the Trump camp wants, they’ll drop them as quickly as they did Europe.
You admit you don't follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.
While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump's code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.
You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.
Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).
As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don't have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump's breath-taking treason, and I won't apologize for it.
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I mean, I'd believe that it was staged now, but what about the spectator that died? Collatoral damage? (I mean that seriously btw.)
You think they care that people were killed and injured? That only sells the hoax more. I'm sure those pyschopaths feel that he died heroically, helping get HitlerPig reelected.
It's also why they seldom bring it up. If anyone decides to look too close, there will be a lot of murder and conspiracy charges to go around.
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You admit you don't follow American news closely, and much of your opinion is based on your own speculation.
While one ex-KGB agent recently revealed Trump's code name, numerous Russians have described a long pattern of manipulation of Trump, starting with his well-documented trip to Russia in 1987.
You keep insisting that your perspective that there is little Russian influence on Trump and others in his administration is simply contradicted by actual facts.
Google-Fu is an American idiom for being proficient with Google searches (derived from Kung Fu).
As for being condescending, as an American whose name will probably appear on the MAGANazi detainment lists at some point, I don't have any patience for people who are downplaying Trump's breath-taking treason, and I won't apologize for it.
Considering you're not giving any actual evidence, much of what you're writing amounts to speculation as far as I'm concerned as well.
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying I'm not buying an oft-repeated narrative, and I'm still not buying it. And, in any case, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect people I'm responding to in a polite manner to be vaguely polite back. I've not doubted your intellectual capabilities just for disagreeing with me.
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I hope the people of USA are aware of this, as this could absolutely mean war.
Some of us are, but when I speak of these things out loud, I even sound crazy to myself. It’s just so unbelievable.
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ok so let's do these quickly:
- declare the AfD unconstitutional in Germany
- make Marine Le Pen ineligible in France
- destitute Viktor Orban in Hungary
Great plan! I’ll tell all my EU family to vote for you—haha
I like this list. Should have been done already. Especially Le Pen and Orban—they have been on our radar for so long it’s absurd how they’ve been allowed to fester. AfD needs to go. I also am extremely skeptical and have my eye on Sahra Wagenknecht with her praise of Putin.
Sovereign countries have the right to remain sovereign and defend against foreign and domestic interlopers who wish to end their sovereignty. I’m rooting for you and if I gets bad enough I hope I can be allowed to lend myself to your fight.
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Considering you're not giving any actual evidence, much of what you're writing amounts to speculation as far as I'm concerned as well.
I'm not downplaying anything, I'm saying I'm not buying an oft-repeated narrative, and I'm still not buying it. And, in any case, I don't expect you to apologise, I expect people I'm responding to in a polite manner to be vaguely polite back. I've not doubted your intellectual capabilities just for disagreeing with me.
You're starting to sound like one more far-right apologist, offering only soft arguments against fascism, while carefully allowing Russia to escape blame for their obvious nefarious behavior, despite years of open evidence of it. We see this a lot in America, although yours was more subtle than we usually see, because American MAGAs are fucking stupid, and can't navigate subtlety.
You are the one who offered no sources for your allegations that Russia isn't really leading the growing wave of far-right activism across the world. I offered two solid sources for my basic argument, and invited you to do more research. It's not my job to hold your hand. If you truly want to know more, which seems increasingly doubtful, you have Google on your phone and computer.
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You're starting to sound like one more far-right apologist, offering only soft arguments against fascism, while carefully allowing Russia to escape blame for their obvious nefarious behavior, despite years of open evidence of it. We see this a lot in America, although yours was more subtle than we usually see, because American MAGAs are fucking stupid, and can't navigate subtlety.
You are the one who offered no sources for your allegations that Russia isn't really leading the growing wave of far-right activism across the world. I offered two solid sources for my basic argument, and invited you to do more research. It's not my job to hold your hand. If you truly want to know more, which seems increasingly doubtful, you have Google on your phone and computer.
Yes, I'm far-right. Whatever.
