Why is that?
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Last night I had half a container of peanuts. That was enough protein
Its not about meeting caloric requirements for protein. If people felt completely satisfied after eating peanuts, people wouldnt waste all that money on meat. The impossible burger proves that its always been a matter of creating vegan meals that are satisfying to the people who eat meat.
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Last year, there was not a single conservative person in my "circle" that wasn't constantly griping about the cost of eggs and "Bidenflation". Poor souls could not afford to eat anymore, the only protein they supposedly lived on was eggs, but the price of those was so high they were just going without.
The moment that Trump took office, egg prices spiked again and suddenly these people understood that the president doesn't control the price of eggs and besides eggs cost so much due to the effects of bird flu. Suddenly these people who couldn't previously afford anything but eggs to eat are telling me that they're having roast beef for dinner, then pork chops, and so on. Literally nothing has changed in their lives except there's a different president and nearly everything is far more expensive, and yet all the financial woes they were complaining about this time last year no longer seem to exist.
I even mentioned the price of coffee, milk, and beef in a recent conversation. Supposedly these things were higher when Biden was president (not true), and when I refused to budge on that, suddenly it's back to "well the prices are determined by complex market conditions" and "the president has brought down the price of many other things like eggs".
It's literally impossible to have a logical and factual conversation with these types of people.
I know you know this, but I have to jump on the train here.
This is what Fox told them to say, and now they’re not. The whole thing is so obvious to anybody not in their clutches. I have a friend who, after the Jan 6 insurrection, was “done with Trump”. Guess who voted for him again and is convinced he’s doing a great job.
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The problem is that before we all spoke of the issue. Now a large chunk of us speak nothing of it.
The problem is that before we all spoke of the issue.
The problem is that the biden administration pretended they solved the problem while it was still getting worse, after an administration whose first two years were spent breaking every promise to the left of joe manchin.
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The extreme rise in food prices are due mostly to agribusinesses sharing trade data through algorithmic platforms. It’s collusion and price fixing with extra steps. The ones in charge of stopping these kind of practices are currently not interested in helping.
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Yeah animals suffer, but 50 cents are 50 cents.
Swing and a block
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I use the "plant-based" label because people get weird about the v-word, and quite frankly I'm only super-strict about meat and egg so don't think I've really earned the title. I avoid dairy, but it shows up in a lot of unexpected places so I give myself some leeway with micro-ingredients. Why? Because it's more effort than I'm willing to put in. I know that won't be a satisfactory answer to diehards, but it is an honest one.
Or perhaps you are asking if it is only about food? I don't use non-food animal products either (e.g. leather, wool, down).
My last paragraph is really more rhetorical because it's a very predictable "whatabout." While not wanting to bother with the effort certainly is true (in-line with my attitude on dairy micro-ingredients), having easier availability to small local farms wouldn't change anything in this regard. I'd still stick to a plant-based lifestyle. If anything, it's something I might have used as a crutch while phasing out animal products. But I am past that now.
I avoid dairy, but it shows up in a lot of unexpected places so I give myself some leeway with micro-ingredients. Why? Because it's more effort than I'm willing to put in. I know that won't be a satisfactory answer to diehards, but it is an honest one.
This is part of the problem with the “v-word” movement. There are so many purity tests when, in the end, it is literally impossible to avoid all suffering. Industrial agriculture kills untold gobs of animals and insects. Almond farming uses shit tons of water that would otherwise feed a healthy habitat. Having a cat or dog means participating in the animal products industry as well.
This doesn’t mean “give up”, but it does require the admission that there is no ultimate piety that can be achieved - despite what some would have you believe. They are either willfully ignorant or lying to further an agenda. All we can do in our position in modern society is try our best to minimize suffering, with the understanding that there will always be some.
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yeah stop the corn and soybean subsidies and actually charge ranchers for letting their cattle graze on federal land and then the price will reflect what the real price of meat is.
and actually charge ranchers for letting their cattle graze on federal land
That's how we got the shit with Cliven Bundy a while back. Fucking right wingers whine when they don't get free money for nothing and have to pay for the externalities their actions create.
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"Just buy from small local farms," a phrase spoken exclusively by people who do not just buy from small local farms.
7 is a good year, on average most of the cells in your body have already been replaced. You're almost entirely made of plant material at this point lol
7 is a good year, on average most of the cells in your body have already been replaced. You're almost entirely made of plant material at this point lol
Animals only eat plants, so they're plants, so I'm really eating plants
/S
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A lot of vegan meals don't feel quite filling without some kind of protein. Seiten and mushrooms cooked the right way does it, so does impossible burger.
But "lol just stay hungry" isn't a persuasive argument.
It wasn't meant as a "stay-hungry gotcha". What I meant was that vegan meats are not a must when it comes to substituting meat. Food like Impossible Burgers and things like that. But there's tofu, tempeh, seitan as you've mentioned, beans, legumes, chickpeas... There's a lot to eat instead of (vegan) meat is what I meant to convey.
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Food prices are obviously always a problem. Basic needs are always a problem if not accessible properly.
Though even as a non American I do notice that there is clearly less loud bitching, fingerpointing and blame getting tossed around. At least not in a jerk agressive way.
My guess is that it really is because those loud annoying people are trump supporters who now keep their mouths shut.
Perhaps, but we may also see it brought up again around midterms. Elections are usually when issues that people most care about are brought to the forefront.
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We should all ask for things that benefit the whole even if they would be detrimental to our individual selves.
I applaud my comrade
Yeah it was a joke because of their screen name.
