Why is that?
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When plant meat is at the same price or cheaper, I will.
I've already worked out most of my recipes to use it.
Or just don't eat meat and choose one of the plenty alternatives that's not faux-meat
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Or just don't eat meat and choose one of the plenty alternatives that's not faux-meat
Tried that before, didn't enjoy it.
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I think the main difference is that people were "apoplectic" when food prices had doubled or tripled in a year or two, and now they're only going up like 10%. But also because people get used to anything, and apparently one of the things they're used to right now is food being ridiculously expensive. Thirdly, most people get sick of a subject after a while so they engage less on it. Don't want another article, don't want another comment, they just turn it off and look at memes.
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I think the main difference is that people were "apoplectic" when food prices had doubled or tripled in a year or two, and now they're only going up like 10%. But also because people get used to anything, and apparently one of the things they're used to right now is food being ridiculously expensive. Thirdly, most people get sick of a subject after a while so they engage less on it. Don't want another article, don't want another comment, they just turn it off and look at memes.
Because the conservative outrage machine stopped focusing on it. You can be 100% assured if Harris had one they'd be threatening impeachment over beef being up 11%.
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Last year, there was not a single conservative person in my "circle" that wasn't constantly griping about the cost of eggs and "Bidenflation". Poor souls could not afford to eat anymore, the only protein they supposedly lived on was eggs, but the price of those was so high they were just going without.
The moment that Trump took office, egg prices spiked again and suddenly these people understood that the president doesn't control the price of eggs and besides eggs cost so much due to the effects of bird flu. Suddenly these people who couldn't previously afford anything but eggs to eat are telling me that they're having roast beef for dinner, then pork chops, and so on. Literally nothing has changed in their lives except there's a different president and nearly everything is far more expensive, and yet all the financial woes they were complaining about this time last year no longer seem to exist.
I even mentioned the price of coffee, milk, and beef in a recent conversation. Supposedly these things were higher when Biden was president (not true), and when I refused to budge on that, suddenly it's back to "well the prices are determined by complex market conditions" and "the president has brought down the price of many other things like eggs".
It's literally impossible to have a logical and factual conversation with these types of people.
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I find it interesting you put the asterisk on the first it whereas i would have put it on the second. I wonder why that is!
The asterisk is for the footnote from "it's**". In other words, the asterisk is for the entire line.
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Just curious because you're specifically using the term plant-based: are you eating plant-based or are you vegan? If not the latter, how come?
No judgements whatsoever - just curious
I use the "plant-based" label because people get weird about the v-word, and quite frankly I'm only super-strict about meat and egg so don't think I've really earned the title. I avoid dairy, but it shows up in a lot of unexpected places so I give myself some leeway with micro-ingredients. Why? Because it's more effort than I'm willing to put in. I know that won't be a satisfactory answer to diehards, but it is an honest one.
Or perhaps you are asking if it is only about food? I don't use non-food animal products either (e.g. leather, wool, down).
My last paragraph is really more rhetorical because it's a very predictable "whatabout." While not wanting to bother with the effort certainly is true (in-line with my attitude on dairy micro-ingredients), having easier availability to small local farms wouldn't change anything in this regard. I'd still stick to a plant-based lifestyle. If anything, it's something I might have used as a crutch while phasing out animal products. But I am past that now.
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Saying this in response to a news story about rising food prices? The high food prices are still being talked about and are still a problem.
The "The Resistance" logo in the top-right makes sense as only democrats could come up with a dumb line of attack as "food prices were never actually a problem and people were just being told to be angry about this non-problem". This is the same party that boasted about saving consumers 16 cents for the 4th of July: https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-boasts-cookouts-are-16-cents-cheaper-this-year-internet-isnt-impressed-1606210
Almost as if they knew of how fucked the inflation would be and tried to run in front of it. That clearly didn't work, so they tried gaslighting everyone by claiming rising prices are a non-issue. If this is the resistance then we're fucked.
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I use the "plant-based" label because people get weird about the v-word, and quite frankly I'm only super-strict about meat and egg so don't think I've really earned the title. I avoid dairy, but it shows up in a lot of unexpected places so I give myself some leeway with micro-ingredients. Why? Because it's more effort than I'm willing to put in. I know that won't be a satisfactory answer to diehards, but it is an honest one.
Or perhaps you are asking if it is only about food? I don't use non-food animal products either (e.g. leather, wool, down).
My last paragraph is really more rhetorical because it's a very predictable "whatabout." While not wanting to bother with the effort certainly is true (in-line with my attitude on dairy micro-ingredients), having easier availability to small local farms wouldn't change anything in this regard. I'd still stick to a plant-based lifestyle. If anything, it's something I might have used as a crutch while phasing out animal products. But I am past that now.
Wait, are the micro-ingredients you're referring to the traces of dairy you get with most foods you buy? Like even food that's specifically labelled as vegan? Not quite sure what else you could mean since these products would still be considered vegan since they're not made up of or consist of animal products.
But yea, it's tough to keep scanning ingredients list for potential non-vegan ingredients. It's relatively easy for food for me nowadays but stuff like soaps, face wash, laundry detergent and stuff like that that's not always explicitly labelled as vegan can be tricky to navigate around. Nail polish is easy because I found a brand that's specifically vegan and cruelty-free.
You'll get there some day (if you want that). We all start out small and it takes some effort, but it's manageable in the end.
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Saying this in response to a news story about rising food prices? The high food prices are still being talked about and are still a problem.
The "The Resistance" logo in the top-right makes sense as only democrats could come up with a dumb line of attack as "food prices were never actually a problem and people were just being told to be angry about this non-problem". This is the same party that boasted about saving consumers 16 cents for the 4th of July: https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-boasts-cookouts-are-16-cents-cheaper-this-year-internet-isnt-impressed-1606210
Almost as if they knew of how fucked the inflation would be and tried to run in front of it. That clearly didn't work, so they tried gaslighting everyone by claiming rising prices are a non-issue. If this is the resistance then we're fucked.
Food prices are obviously always a problem. Basic needs are always a problem if not accessible properly.
Though even as a non American I do notice that there is clearly less loud bitching, fingerpointing and blame getting tossed around. At least not in a jerk agressive way.
My guess is that it really is because those loud annoying people are trump supporters who now keep their mouths shut.
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Saying this in response to a news story about rising food prices? The high food prices are still being talked about and are still a problem.
The "The Resistance" logo in the top-right makes sense as only democrats could come up with a dumb line of attack as "food prices were never actually a problem and people were just being told to be angry about this non-problem". This is the same party that boasted about saving consumers 16 cents for the 4th of July: https://www.newsweek.com/white-house-boasts-cookouts-are-16-cents-cheaper-this-year-internet-isnt-impressed-1606210
Almost as if they knew of how fucked the inflation would be and tried to run in front of it. That clearly didn't work, so they tried gaslighting everyone by claiming rising prices are a non-issue. If this is the resistance then we're fucked.
The problem is that before we all spoke of the issue. Now a large chunk of us speak nothing of it.
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I'd say it's because during Biden's term he was running a fairly basic administration and during the run-up to the election, inflation was something they (repubs) could use to rile up the base, but now not only is the election long over, there's so much new horrible stuff every day (both real and made-up) in the spotlight that inflation pales in comparison.
Also, Biden was actively tackling the problem by having investigations into large grocer chains and brandnames who reported record profits and increased prices, and we talked about that whether we were on his "side" or not. He also prevented a couple of mergers/acquisitions such as the Krogers Alberstsons merger. And that was boring in most cases and in some cases ineffective.
Now that nothing is being done about any of it, theres less to talk about except "experts say this is really bad and it's going to get much much worse. Now for the weather forecast, take it away Carl."
"Actually, Bob, with the loss of weather monitoring funding we're back to relying on Almanacs and to avoid liability I've been asked to not call it a forecast but a weather prediction."
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Last year, there was not a single conservative person in my "circle" that wasn't constantly griping about the cost of eggs and "Bidenflation". Poor souls could not afford to eat anymore, the only protein they supposedly lived on was eggs, but the price of those was so high they were just going without.
The moment that Trump took office, egg prices spiked again and suddenly these people understood that the president doesn't control the price of eggs and besides eggs cost so much due to the effects of bird flu. Suddenly these people who couldn't previously afford anything but eggs to eat are telling me that they're having roast beef for dinner, then pork chops, and so on. Literally nothing has changed in their lives except there's a different president and nearly everything is far more expensive, and yet all the financial woes they were complaining about this time last year no longer seem to exist.
I even mentioned the price of coffee, milk, and beef in a recent conversation. Supposedly these things were higher when Biden was president (not true), and when I refused to budge on that, suddenly it's back to "well the prices are determined by complex market conditions" and "the president has brought down the price of many other things like eggs".
It's literally impossible to have a logical and factual conversation with these types of people.
The eggs thing wasn't complex market conditions, companies saw an excuse to raise prices in unison, they tripled their profits, and are slowly lowering them as sales decrease due to people buying fewer eggs. They're still up 200%.
If you want to know what lowering food prices looks like, ask the chinese. Each city I went to had arrays of different policies, none of which started and ended with "give money to giant ag companies and the means to exploit migrant workers." Lot of policies helping retirees start micro farms.
30 eggs for 2USD related.
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Or just don't eat meat and choose one of the plenty alternatives that's not faux-meat
A lot of vegan meals don't feel quite filling without some kind of protein. Seiten and mushrooms cooked the right way does it, so does impossible burger.
But "lol just stay hungry" isn't a persuasive argument.
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When plant meat is at the same price or cheaper, I will.
I've already worked out most of my recipes to use it.
Yeah animals suffer, but 50 cents are 50 cents.
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A lot of vegan meals don't feel quite filling without some kind of protein. Seiten and mushrooms cooked the right way does it, so does impossible burger.
But "lol just stay hungry" isn't a persuasive argument.
Last night I had half a container of peanuts. That was enough protein
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Last night I had half a container of peanuts. That was enough protein
Its not about meeting caloric requirements for protein. If people felt completely satisfied after eating peanuts, people wouldnt waste all that money on meat. The impossible burger proves that its always been a matter of creating vegan meals that are satisfying to the people who eat meat.
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Last year, there was not a single conservative person in my "circle" that wasn't constantly griping about the cost of eggs and "Bidenflation". Poor souls could not afford to eat anymore, the only protein they supposedly lived on was eggs, but the price of those was so high they were just going without.
The moment that Trump took office, egg prices spiked again and suddenly these people understood that the president doesn't control the price of eggs and besides eggs cost so much due to the effects of bird flu. Suddenly these people who couldn't previously afford anything but eggs to eat are telling me that they're having roast beef for dinner, then pork chops, and so on. Literally nothing has changed in their lives except there's a different president and nearly everything is far more expensive, and yet all the financial woes they were complaining about this time last year no longer seem to exist.
I even mentioned the price of coffee, milk, and beef in a recent conversation. Supposedly these things were higher when Biden was president (not true), and when I refused to budge on that, suddenly it's back to "well the prices are determined by complex market conditions" and "the president has brought down the price of many other things like eggs".
It's literally impossible to have a logical and factual conversation with these types of people.
I know you know this, but I have to jump on the train here.
This is what Fox told them to say, and now they’re not. The whole thing is so obvious to anybody not in their clutches. I have a friend who, after the Jan 6 insurrection, was “done with Trump”. Guess who voted for him again and is convinced he’s doing a great job.
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The problem is that before we all spoke of the issue. Now a large chunk of us speak nothing of it.
The problem is that before we all spoke of the issue.
The problem is that the biden administration pretended they solved the problem while it was still getting worse, after an administration whose first two years were spent breaking every promise to the left of joe manchin.
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The extreme rise in food prices are due mostly to agribusinesses sharing trade data through algorithmic platforms. It’s collusion and price fixing with extra steps. The ones in charge of stopping these kind of practices are currently not interested in helping.
