248 Legally Deceased "Patients" are In These Dewars Awaiting Future Revival - Cryonics
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power outages at these facilities already happened, but it's a smaller problem in grand scheme of things. facility of this type promises to keep human meatsicle at 77K effectively forever (because magic tech to revive dead is not coming), for a single payment. this means they'll simply run out of power/liquid nitrogen money at some point and will have to shut down, and allow everything to thaw
At the very least the customers won't notice.
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power outages at these facilities already happened, but it's a smaller problem in grand scheme of things. facility of this type promises to keep human meatsicle at 77K effectively forever (because magic tech to revive dead is not coming), for a single payment. this means they'll simply run out of power/liquid nitrogen money at some point and will have to shut down, and allow everything to thaw
So the gamble is that tech is invented before money runs out?
But also didn’t one routine inspection discover liquefied human remains?
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So the gamble is that tech is invented before money runs out?
But also didn’t one routine inspection discover liquefied human remains?
it's not a gamble, it's more of a shared belief propagated by people who took scifi way too seriously
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From time to time they have to open these things and basically find melted human jelly where a body was once placed.
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power outages at these facilities already happened, but it's a smaller problem in grand scheme of things. facility of this type promises to keep human meatsicle at 77K effectively forever (because magic tech to revive dead is not coming), for a single payment. this means they'll simply run out of power/liquid nitrogen money at some point and will have to shut down, and allow everything to thaw
Compound interest.
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Which one is Austin Powers?
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Cryogenically frozen forever*
*Until the funds dry up
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power outages at these facilities already happened, but it's a smaller problem in grand scheme of things. facility of this type promises to keep human meatsicle at 77K effectively forever (because magic tech to revive dead is not coming), for a single payment. this means they'll simply run out of power/liquid nitrogen money at some point and will have to shut down, and allow everything to thaw
But the point is that people will continue to die and believe in that kind of thing. A bit like religion...
Obviously space could become an issue especially if some kind of revival never happens... But at the price they set I think it's prohibitive enough.
There will never be a shortage of fools for this kind of services.
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From time to time they have to open these things and basically find melted human jelly where a body was once placed.
Oh god the smell
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power outages at these facilities already happened, but it's a smaller problem in grand scheme of things. facility of this type promises to keep human meatsicle at 77K effectively forever (because magic tech to revive dead is not coming), for a single payment. this means they'll simply run out of power/liquid nitrogen money at some point and will have to shut down, and allow everything to thaw
I would imagine they use the same financial methods as funeral homes taking payment decades before you die.
Money goes into an investment fund that keeps growing.
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And they'll have to fight it out to be the one consciousness getting shoved into a probe and sent into space after they're revived by a theocratic fascist state in 500 years
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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4074928/ - I really liked this movie about it. Without spoilers, the idea basically is that to keep getting funding the company has to prove that the technology works. They have to start waking people up and someone has to be first. Decades after you've been frozen all your family is long dead so you're basically company's property, they can do whatever they want...
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And Walt Disney's head.
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And they'll have to fight it out to be the one consciousness getting shoved into a probe and sent into space after they're revived by a theocratic fascist state in 500 years
We are the bob
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So the gamble is that tech is invented before money runs out?
But also didn’t one routine inspection discover liquefied human remains?
The idea is you have investments running that return enough to keep the place running indefinitely.
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Pyramid schemes are always great until they collapse.
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I would imagine they use the same financial methods as funeral homes taking payment decades before you die.
Money goes into an investment fund that keeps growing.
funeral home doesn't have recurring expenses per corpse for infinite time
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funeral home doesn't have recurring expenses per corpse for infinite time
Liquid nitrogen is cheap to produce at scale and LN2 loss decreases per unit of internal volume as the volume increases.
As for the revival tech, of course the meat is never coming back, but once we have the technology to scan the remains with 1 nanometer cubic accuracy then we'll just run simulated copies of them, the biggest question is how much of "them" was destroyed by the freeze/thaw/scan process
But we can probably patch the large bulk of the damage with copies from other people that have undamaged structures,
It will be a little chimeric, you'll have your damage replaced with someone else's or the average of many other people's intact structures.
And then the last thing to answer is the Ship Of Theseus problem, is a near perfect copy of you running in a simulated mathematical space still "you" or is there no "you" left ? That's something only "you" can answer because to the people outside the simulation, the "you" will behave exactly the same as the meat "you"... That's assuming the simulation technology of say, 500 years in the future, actually is that good.
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Liquid nitrogen is cheap to produce at scale and LN2 loss decreases per unit of internal volume as the volume increases.
As for the revival tech, of course the meat is never coming back, but once we have the technology to scan the remains with 1 nanometer cubic accuracy then we'll just run simulated copies of them, the biggest question is how much of "them" was destroyed by the freeze/thaw/scan process
But we can probably patch the large bulk of the damage with copies from other people that have undamaged structures,
It will be a little chimeric, you'll have your damage replaced with someone else's or the average of many other people's intact structures.
And then the last thing to answer is the Ship Of Theseus problem, is a near perfect copy of you running in a simulated mathematical space still "you" or is there no "you" left ? That's something only "you" can answer because to the people outside the simulation, the "you" will behave exactly the same as the meat "you"... That's assuming the simulation technology of say, 500 years in the future, actually is that good.
yes LN2 is cheap-ish (about price of milk) but it's not free. gains you're talking about only happen when comically large dewars are used, these would have to be custom made for them - meaning nonstandard and not cheap
ah yes "just" 1nm precision scanning. even scanning at resolution of six single carbon-carbon bonds won't help you after cell walls and everything that was inside were shredded by ice crystals formed, as i think there's not really suitable cryoprotectant involved, if it's even developed for human-size tissues. i don't think it's a thing, and also freezing rate required would be likely impossible just because of typical human size
as it stands today, moore's law hit a wall, brain simulation is fantasy tech, and it'll remain so for considerable time, i'd even say probably forever (humans will have more pressing issues to deal with). copy is not original and maybe it'll be reassuring to other people, but these other people also are dead by that point so it's useless. the rest are futurologist noises coming from people who don't want to admit that they made a religion out of misinterpreted scifi
500 years in the future? mate, would you consider
Early attempts at cryonic preservation were made in the 1960s and early 1970s; most relied on family members to pay for the preservation and ended in failure, with all but one of the corpses cryopreserved before 1973 being thawed and disposed of.[14]
not even single one frozen today will remain so within 70, 100 years, nevermind 500
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So the gamble is that tech is invented before money runs out?
But also didn’t one routine inspection discover liquefied human remains?
tech is invented
Why? We have enough humans. Why would we thaw out more at huge cost?
