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Conservative Nawrocki narrowly wins Poland's presidential election

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  • L [email protected]

    I honestly don't think we have to play dirty in any way, we have to be willing to be just as forceful as they are when we tell them "no." And we need to start telling them that a lllot more!

    The problem with the old system is not that it tries to always play nice, it's that it's trying to not upset the money. As an example, the correct way to aproach Trump's tariffs and overall intentions would have been to completely cut any and all economic and political ties with America. Like, no offence to any Americans who didn't vote for him, but that's the unfortunate truth.

    Of course, that would've been DEEPLY uncomfortable for all of us and would've required a unified front on our end, but sometimes you have to burn the field if you're to make room for a healthier crop.

    And this is an extreme example, but the same principle applies in all such interactions with Fascism, at any level. We (Romania) narrowly avoided electing a Fascistic president - that guy should've been pelted with tomatoes from day one, he should've been shouted out of the electoral pool. But we can't have that, because the Fascists will get upset.

    My question: who the fuck cares if we upset the Fascists?! Isn't that the whole fucking point?!

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    My question: who the fuck cares if we upset the Fascists?! Isn’t that the whole fucking point?!

    If you go out of your way to avoid upsetting fascists, the fascists win, because they will for sure make up a way to be upset about you if it only suits them.

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    • P [email protected]

      Pro-Trump candidate wins Poland’s presidential election – a bad omen for the EU, Ukraine and women.

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      god fearing catholic tiktokers elected pimp, flipper, and gangster for a president. where the fuck do i live

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      • T [email protected]

        My question: who the fuck cares if we upset the Fascists?! Isn’t that the whole fucking point?!

        If you go out of your way to avoid upsetting fascists, the fascists win, because they will for sure make up a way to be upset about you if it only suits them.

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        Exactly! It's slithering and insidious, it looks for any crack and forces its way through! Trying to reason with Fascism is like trying to reason with an aggressive form of cancer.

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        • venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV [email protected]

          securing 50.89 percent of the vote

          bruh

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          Brexit all over again.

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          • F [email protected]

            Although executive power lies largely with Poland’s parliament, the presidency carries the power to veto legislation.

            As such, the election outcome is being closely monitored not only in Poland but also in Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and across the European Union.

            So as far as I understand. As long as PiS doesn’t win legislative elections. It basically means Poland will be in gridlock for a long time and get nothing done.

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            Yeah it’s been mostly a gridlock for the past 2 years as well so at the very least it’s 2 more years of gridlock or up to 5…

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              Pro-Trump candidate wins Poland’s presidential election – a bad omen for the EU, Ukraine and women.

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              There goes the the plan to scrap the abortion ban out of the window.

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              • T [email protected]

                If only the media would stop downplaying those far right nutjobs as harmless conservatives.

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                Some seem particularly keen on defining Trumpism as the new conservative normal.

                If 50% are extremist, is it still extremism? I say yes.

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                • T [email protected]

                  If only the media would stop downplaying those far right nutjobs as harmless conservatives.

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                  They are mouth-foaming radicals constantly labeled as "conservative."

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                  • fullsquare@awful.systemsF [email protected]

                    god fearing catholic tiktokers elected pimp, flipper, and gangster for a president. where the fuck do i live

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                    Religion is always the problem.

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                    • 5 [email protected]

                      There goes the the plan to scrap the abortion ban out of the window.

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                      There goes democracy if they get legislative control in the next round of elections

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                        Pro-Trump candidate wins Poland’s presidential election – a bad omen for the EU, Ukraine and women.

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                        Don't trust it! There was a Russian Tail yesterday. They stole our election, challenge these results! Don't let them steal your country too!

                        https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

                        https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

                        https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

                        https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta

                        First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.

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                        • F [email protected]

                          The horrible thing though is most elections our choice is a facist who paints themselves as representatives of the working class (but basically wants to make the world worse for everyone). Or a pro-elite neoliberal center or center-“left” candidate who inevitably doesn’t solve much at all except doing everything to undermine the left which essentially means next time there is widespread discontent the far right will benefit.

                          I hate this world. (Obviously, I prefer and vote for the centrist candidates, but the outlook in the long run is hella grim).

                          Essentially:

                          (Neo)liberals: Cut public services, deregulate markets, manage inequality, repress protest.
                          The left opposition is marginalised, criminalised, or co-opted.
                          There is widespread alienation Especially among the working class and youth.
                          -> 
                          Far right steps in: Offers fake solidarity, nationalism, scapegoats.
                          ->
                          (Neo)liberals say: “We’re the only thing standing between you and fascism.”
                          ->
                          Repeat.
                          
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                          That is exactly what happened here. And it doesn't seem like they (ruling parties and 'their' media) have learned anything.

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                          • F [email protected]

                            I'm not sure, how much power the president have in the Polish system? Is most of the power in Prime Minister as in Italy or is it more like France? The prime minister is still Tusk, he is not seems perfect, but seeing the options I hope he will continue in office

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                            not much, like Italy

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