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How does fascism happen?

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  • J [email protected]

    I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?

    It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.

    It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.

    History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?

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    there are many ways it can happen.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a5JgD8AhRjs

    watch that and you'll have a better idea to the answer you're asking.

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    • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

      1 is a finite number

      1+1 is a finite number

      1+? Is a finite number, even if you don't know what it is

      If you look at the amount of currency at any given point in time you can absolutely track every debt and dollar to a number, the fact that that number is always changing does not stop it from being finite.

      You're really embarrassing yourself here

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      So in your opinion, infinite doesn't exist? If you can keep printing money whenever you want, no, the amount of currency in existence is not finite. What is the limit of how much of a currency can be created? What is the limit of USD? If it's finite then you should be able to answer.

      You’re really embarrassing yourself here

      Not me who's doing that lol. You just said this lol....

      1+? Is a finite number, even if you don’t know what it is

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        Congratulations, you understood the assignment.

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        So all types of government lead to fascism?

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          So in your opinion, infinite doesn't exist? If you can keep printing money whenever you want, no, the amount of currency in existence is not finite. What is the limit of how much of a currency can be created? What is the limit of USD? If it's finite then you should be able to answer.

          You’re really embarrassing yourself here

          Not me who's doing that lol. You just said this lol....

          1+? Is a finite number, even if you don’t know what it is

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          Is human population infinite too? More babies are made all the time, i don't know if there's a limit to how many can be born

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          • J [email protected]

            I've always been curious how fascism takes hold, and how people like Hitler, Stalin. etc rise to power. Do people not see what is happening? Shouldn't hindsight, foresight and common sense kick in at some point? I used t think they were like mob bosses early on - anyone disagreeing with them ends up in a barrel, but surely were civilized and educated by now?

            It seems the people don't want to jeopardize their comfortable livelihoods and individual lives so expect the 'powerful elected officials' to do their bidding. After all, the public gave them the power to do just that. Otoh, the politicians don't want to jeopardize their cushy jobs and accumulated power by challenging the majority, so are waiting for the public to start a jan6 situation so they can point and say, 'see, the people are unhappy so we should act'.

            It's a shitstorm of no consequences and a man child hacking away at the country and no one seems to be doing anything meaningful. I'm literally watching fascism take place.

            History/ psychology/ sociology majors care to chime in?

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            Mismanagement and misplaced grievances.

            The former is the cause for 99% of the problems societies face.

            Essentially, conmen will con useful idiots, and then the useful idiots will get mad at their peers instead of their rulers because it's easier.

            Stupidity is also a major factor, because useful idiots aren't capable of understanding how they're being taken for a ride.

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            • F [email protected]

              Bigotry, that's how. People have problems, the economy is struggling. They need a scapegoat. So someone like Hitler or Trump convince them that all their problems are caused by jews or immigrants or LGBT people or some other minority group and that everything will be fixed by getting rid of that group

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              Why is the economy struggling while rich people live in luxury?

              I'd say what's causing people grief is a bigger trigger for fascism than how they react to it.

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                Or that all their problems are caused by and will be fixed by getting rid of all of the people who disagree with their ideologies and political allegiance. They call for censorship of those people, they try to get them de-platformed/fired and arrested for wrong-think, outlaw their ability to get any power, and they try to paint them as all sorts of horrible things and say that if you disagree then you’re also those horrible things.

                Radicalisation, basically, and if you think it’s only one side doing it, you’re well on your way.

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                I agree.

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                • F [email protected]

                  So in your opinion, infinite doesn't exist? If you can keep printing money whenever you want, no, the amount of currency in existence is not finite. What is the limit of how much of a currency can be created? What is the limit of USD? If it's finite then you should be able to answer.

                  You’re really embarrassing yourself here

                  Not me who's doing that lol. You just said this lol....

                  1+? Is a finite number, even if you don’t know what it is

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                  Go back to middle school math, where they teach you the difference between infinite numbers and finite numbers

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                  • F [email protected]

                    So all types of government lead to fascism?

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                    No, humanity leads to fascism without the correct controls in place. It's an unfortunate side effect of our "survival of the fittest" driving our evolution as a species. Since greed usually wins out, it was selected for in our species, and the only thing stopping it is our civility, which is rather new to our species as a whole.

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                      I wonder if the people in here will see the irony in all of them making one main enemy/villain the cause of the problem (even if it is not), the most effective trick ever?

                      Of course they won’t. They couldn’t possibly be the ones falling for it, they’re too educated and on the right side of history! Just like they’ve been told! Just like the narrative!

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                      I have just described a process which is just my opinion, observation. Then, I think, it is another topic which can be asked in the community 😀

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                        Is human population infinite too? More babies are made all the time, i don't know if there's a limit to how many can be born

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                        Yes, because there is no definitive end number.

                        You’re acting like the definitions for these words don’t exist 🤣. The human population is currently x. The total possible human population is infinite because it has no definitive number that it hits and ends.

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                        • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                          Go back to middle school math, where they teach you the difference between infinite numbers and finite numbers

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                          Ah so now you’re pretending like you were talking about something different since you got corrected lol

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                            No, humanity leads to fascism without the correct controls in place. It's an unfortunate side effect of our "survival of the fittest" driving our evolution as a species. Since greed usually wins out, it was selected for in our species, and the only thing stopping it is our civility, which is rather new to our species as a whole.

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                            And there’s no government type that has the correct controls in place?

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                              And there’s no government type that has the correct controls in place?

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                              No. There do not exist controls that will not be bypassed through human ingenuity.

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                                No. There do not exist controls that will not be bypassed through human ingenuity.

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                                So what’s the timeframe on turning to fascism? Looking at well over a few hundred years at least at this point.

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                                  So what’s the timeframe on turning to fascism? Looking at well over a few hundred years at least at this point.

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                                  History books suggest we're not special in that regard. Around 250 years is the average if I recall correctly. It looks like we're right on schedule...

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                                    History books suggest we're not special in that regard. Around 250 years is the average if I recall correctly. It looks like we're right on schedule...

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                                    I've never seen any fascists trying to reduce the governments role in every facet of life. That's a new one.

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                                      I've never seen any fascists trying to reduce the governments role in every facet of life. That's a new one.

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                                      Nobody that has said they are trying to reduce governments role, has ever actually been attempting to do so (in the long run). That has always been a front to reduce checks and balances which keep fascists from having the freedom to be fascists.

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                                        Nobody that has said they are trying to reduce governments role, has ever actually been attempting to do so (in the long run). That has always been a front to reduce checks and balances which keep fascists from having the freedom to be fascists.

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                                        That’s called a conspiracy theory kids.

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                                          That’s called a conspiracy theory kids.

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                                          That's called observation of factual history, fascist.

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