What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?
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The tankies
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Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.
wrote last edited by [email protected]the architecture of lemmy, both socially and technically, is not working as hoped and it's likely it will suffer an effective death before it evolves sufficiently to enable distributed communities
the federated model is too lumpy and fragmented at the same time
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Onboarding is difficult, because you have to choose an instance, which is hugely important, but a newcomer has no idea what makes/is a good community to join
That's honestly not very helpful.
- It's not exactly at a place where someone joins lemmy. Most people likely join via downloading an app, and if they are lucky that app links them to join-lemmy.org, and more often than not, it doesn't link them anywhere and just asks them to either select an instance from a dropdown without further information or it asks them to enter an instance name from memory.
- The advice is very questionable and not really helpful without context.
- Lemmy.world is too big
There are Lemmy-reasons for why that's a problem, but in any other context, the biggest is the best. And even in regards to lemmy, bigger instances have a higher chance to remain, to be decently moderated and to be decently stable. Before joining Lemmy.world, I was on Feddit.de, and we all know how that ended. And even before they vanished without a warning or an explanation, Feddit.de servers were always outdated, slow and unreliable, and moderation was arbitrary at best and non-existent at worst.
Lemmy.world is stable and works just as expected.
- Lemm.ee is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad, something that is not very welcoming to new users (see this thread: https://sh.itjust.works/post/28798607/15305964 )
That's a somewhat decent reasoning, though not immediately understandable as a new user. And not relevant anymore because Lemm.ee will shutdown within a week or so from now.
- sh.itjust.works names contains “shit”, which can deter users
Thanks, I'm adult enough to know whether I'm offended by the word "shit".
lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric
feddit.org, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too
programming.dev is topic-centric
blahaj is queer-focused
infosec.pub is topic-centric
aussie.zone is country-centric
midwest.social is region-centricNone of that really matters thanks to federation.
dbzer0 federates hexbear
Like Lemm.ee, apart from the fact that it still exists
beehaw is way outdated
That's some relevant reasoning.
sopuli.xyz (neutral name
See also:
discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name
Sopuli.xyz isn't any easier than discuss.tchnics.de, and jet discuss.tchnics.de was excluded for the name only.
While down in the comments it says
Sopuli doesn’t support gifs
Which is a really hard reason to avoid that instance, much more so than "has a difficult name". That's got much more practical implications.
But what's left regardless is: Even that link that is supposed to make instance selection easier isn't exactly easy to understand for a newcomer.
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The tankies are far and away the largest problem. It's the number one reason why lemmy hasn't grown. Even when I signed up years ago from the reddit exodus every post I saw was heavily cautioned with "it's filled with tankies". And now every mention of it is being scrubbed for that reason. The second problem is the smaller size but see reason 1 for that.
Third problem is the sign up process being so excruciating. I understand it's to prevent bots but for every 2 bots it's preventing it's probably also preventing 1 actual user from signing up. I love this place despite the small size, because I can just sequester off all the tankies entirely on Connect, but if the creators don't realize they're actively standing in the way of growth by the actions they're taking and step away from all their moderation actions to focus on administration and development instead the outlook doesn't look too great.
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lack of communities, not found on lemmy, but is active on reddit. even some mirrors are rarely have new posts. more pros than cons though.
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I didn't. Tankie was a completely new word to me when I started here.
i heard it first on reddit funny enough, but usually referring to same type people as on lemmy
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Niche communities. Large spaces are built of small niche interest groups. The tooling around small spaces needs to be first class if we want the larger space to be healthy
wrote last edited by [email protected]same, certain things location based subs are not found on lemmy, and youtuber channel based discussions also not found here. plus things like like health, medical,,,etc. movies/entertainment has enough to satisfy people, but not to the extent as on reddit.
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The lemmy.ml instance not being treated the same as the rest of the Triad in regards to defederation
Some highlights from the link:
"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167
"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin
https://lemmy.world/post/30673342.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558
::: spoiler CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic
:::"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035
General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510
"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415
And a long list of bans/censorship and allowing the proliferation of known propaganda and misinformation outlets clearly demonstrating use of their instance and recognition to force a political narrative
i block the whole instance, so i dont have to deal with any of those posts, but the single .ml accounts can still be problematic.
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that was so pervasive on reddit, you either get banned, or ended up arguing more and then get banned.
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Arguably, lemmy is going to be more private than reddit because your data are being queried, refined, quantified and categorised by reddit to be sold off to the highest bidder. If a different actor is just scraping activitypub they need to do all of that themselves.
I don't think there's any "arguably" that Lemmy is more private, it's a completely open platform. Sure Reddit is a closed platform that can sell data to whoever, but Fediverse data is freely accessible to anyone who just has a bit of technical know-how to set up an instance, after which they can query, refine, quantify, and categorize it all they want. If there's profit to be made with that data, someone will do it. I am assuming that our info is already being collected by both private interests and governments.
I get your point that reddit nominally has more privacy. I only said "arguably" because I think privacy is an illusion in both cases (which, admittedly, is a bit of an orthogonal take). If there isn't true privacy anywhere then there is the additional downside of reddit data being actively marketed/presented to 3rd parties.
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Reddit is useless for questions. If you're a subject-matter expert in something, find the subreddit for it and prepare to be horrified.
i usually search for what has been asked and answered, asking questions now in many subs, is only inviting trouble from gatekeepers, know it alls , and lastly astroturfing.
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im glad i blocked that instance, i was accidentally engaging into too many .ml posts there were mirror image of how conservatives posts, just whining and chastising opinions.
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That's honestly not very helpful.
- It's not exactly at a place where someone joins lemmy. Most people likely join via downloading an app, and if they are lucky that app links them to join-lemmy.org, and more often than not, it doesn't link them anywhere and just asks them to either select an instance from a dropdown without further information or it asks them to enter an instance name from memory.
- The advice is very questionable and not really helpful without context.
- Lemmy.world is too big
There are Lemmy-reasons for why that's a problem, but in any other context, the biggest is the best. And even in regards to lemmy, bigger instances have a higher chance to remain, to be decently moderated and to be decently stable. Before joining Lemmy.world, I was on Feddit.de, and we all know how that ended. And even before they vanished without a warning or an explanation, Feddit.de servers were always outdated, slow and unreliable, and moderation was arbitrary at best and non-existent at worst.
Lemmy.world is stable and works just as expected.
- Lemm.ee is federated with hexbear and lemmygrad, something that is not very welcoming to new users (see this thread: https://sh.itjust.works/post/28798607/15305964 )
That's a somewhat decent reasoning, though not immediately understandable as a new user. And not relevant anymore because Lemm.ee will shutdown within a week or so from now.
- sh.itjust.works names contains “shit”, which can deter users
Thanks, I'm adult enough to know whether I'm offended by the word "shit".
lemmy.ca is Canadian-centric
feddit.org, is German-centric, but technically English speaking too
programming.dev is topic-centric
blahaj is queer-focused
infosec.pub is topic-centric
aussie.zone is country-centric
midwest.social is region-centricNone of that really matters thanks to federation.
dbzer0 federates hexbear
Like Lemm.ee, apart from the fact that it still exists
beehaw is way outdated
That's some relevant reasoning.
sopuli.xyz (neutral name
See also:
discuss.tchncs.de has a difficult name
Sopuli.xyz isn't any easier than discuss.tchnics.de, and jet discuss.tchnics.de was excluded for the name only.
While down in the comments it says
Sopuli doesn’t support gifs
Which is a really hard reason to avoid that instance, much more so than "has a difficult name". That's got much more practical implications.
But what's left regardless is: Even that link that is supposed to make instance selection easier isn't exactly easy to understand for a newcomer.
ut what’s left regardless is: Even that link that is supposed to make instance selection easier isn’t exactly easy to understand for a newcomer.
Newcomers are supposed to just read
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Lemmy has 47k monthly active usershttps://discuss.online/ if you want a server located in the USA (content is still accessible from any server, the most difference latency) https://sopuli.xyz/ if you want a server located in the EU https://vger.app/settings/install if you want an appFeel free if you have any questions
"The rest was up for debate, feel free to copy paste your comment in that thread so that other people can see it as well
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Lemmy devs - they are a curse and a blessing. A blessing that they worked on lemmy before reddit exodus. A curse as it's hard to contribute to the codebase and related components.
At least we have mbin and piefed to federate with.
Also in the 2 years since, the culture has shifted. There is less: "This is a new place. let's make it enjoyable for everyone" and more "I am right, everyone is wrong, and I will ruin your day", but that could be just my perception and not enough blocking.
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Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Piefed solves that issue: https://piefed.zip/post/100161
All comments from 5 crossposts in a single view
A few options
- https://piefed.social/ - flagship instance
- https://piefed.zip/ - lemmy.zip team
- https://piefed.ca/ - lemmy.ca team
- https://feddit.online/
How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down?
Active communities have moved elsewhere:
Inactive communities weren't active in the first place.
How does piefed handle when communities have the same name but different purposes? Like 'conservative' being a 'satire' community on one instance and a breitbart repost community on another?
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Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.
Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.
This is what the Piefed community migration system is designed to mitigate. It makes communities completely modular, allowing a community to move their entire posting history to another instance. As soon as it can pull subscribers automatically, it'll be as if nothing happened.
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As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.
To be frank, in many cases communities were simply picked up by the wrong people who proceeded to not actively feed it with content. So they simply die.
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Yeah this is my issue with it. I can find all the arts, Linux, and political stuff just fine. Sports, music, and places communities are seriously lacking. They exist, but are a shell of what you'd hope they'd be. Engagement is so low, it's not worth bothering. The sports and music communities being so small and sparse is a real bummer.
This is more to do with most Lemmy users being shut-in nerds not inclined to sports tbh.
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Trying to be a Reddit clone.
Reddit was shit to begin with. It was a dumbed down forum site for people who found sites like Plastic or Kuro5hin too intimidating or complicated(!).
Slashdot-style upvoting would instantly solve a lot of "Reddit"-type problems, because instead of just good/bad, or like/dislike, the reason for the vote is noted, such as "insightful", "funny", etc., and you can then filter and sort comments much easier. Just filtering out "funny" comments saved soooooooo much time.
Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay. It's pretty rare to see a post where someone asks a question that doesn't quickly devolve into an offtopic mess, and the creator is usually attacked for trying to bring it back on topic. This has made Reddit useless for question-answering (and besides, the most upvoted answer is almost always wrong.)
Is the purpose of these forums to enable authentic conversation, or just to farm content regardless of quality (to be sold to AI companies, presumably)?
Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay.
How do you determine if a threads an interpersonal question and post as opposed to a general topic-related post?
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not enough of my niche interests from reddit moved here. also the sports communities are a little bit like ghost towns
