I don't like there being forums set to 'public' on open platforms that then say if you aren't in a specific demographic then you aren't allowed to comment.
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so it doesn’t show up in everyone’s feed
Or don't scroll the All feed and complain about / downvote random content you don't like.
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Conflicted.
On one hand, their playground, their rules.
On other, if you don't want to interact with half of community, why not just, dunno...limit visibility? Make it actual safe space?
I am good with anything and do respect their choice, just it's fun to think about.
if you don’t want to interact with half of community, why not just, dunno…limit visibility?
It's not on the community to make it harder for their target audience to find them. It's on people who scroll the All feed to leave posts alone that don't concern them.
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It is a request in the sidebar/bottom of the page that barely anyone looks at because the vast, vast majority of community rules boil down to 'don't be an ass and no porn'.
I'm not opposed to community rules or anything, but saying it requires zero work is wrong because one has to intentionally take the time to check out and remember the rules or voluntarily block to avoid accidentally breaking the rules. It isn't a lot of work, but it is certainly more than zero.
I blocked to avoid intruding, because of my inability to keep track of community specific rules, so I hope it is successful and supportive as intended. If there was an option to set communities to read only like they are when banned that would be a neat feature.
It is a request in the sidebar/bottom of the page
It's a pinned post:
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It’s an extremely simple request that literally requires zero work to honor. There is no downside. Keeping it open and easy to find means higher engagement for the community and greater visibility on a safe, inclusive space for women. Feels like an easy w to me.
It’s an extremely simple request that literally requires zero work to honor.
It literally requires every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. Everyone who comes here has to do that, for every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
There is no downside.
There are tons of downsides. All the previously mentioned work, plus all the people who post there and then get reprimanded for it, which causes unpleasant feelings, making people feel excluded from the public space of the fediverse that we want people to feel welcome at, etc i really could keep listing more downsides.
Keeping it open and easy to find means higher engagement for the community and greater visibility on a safe, inclusive space for women.
No, it's the opposite of that. Keeping it open to people who actually aren't supposed to engage with the content means it's always going to be a muddled antagonistic mess.
Feels like an easy w to me.
Feels like an unforced loss for everyone to me.
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if you don’t want to interact with half of community, why not just, dunno…limit visibility?
It's not on the community to make it harder for their target audience to find them. It's on people who scroll the All feed to leave posts alone that don't concern them.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The rules are not displayed in the All feed. Some specific communities are still welcoming of people who are not the topic being discussed.
When you click a post, the rules might be hidden or at the bottom of the page. Do you take the effort to read all of the rules before posting in every community on the All feed?
Do you take the time before voting, since some communities have banned down voting?
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It is a request in the sidebar/bottom of the page
It's a pinned post:
When I click on a post out of the All or Subscribed feed I don't go to the main community page.
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The rules are not displayed in the All feed. Some specific communities are still welcoming of people who are not the topic being discussed.
When you click a post, the rules might be hidden or at the bottom of the page. Do you take the effort to read all of the rules before posting in every community on the All feed?
Do you take the time before voting, since some communities have banned down voting?
When you click a post, the rules might be hidden or at the bottom of the page.
It's literally the topmost rule of the sidebar. If your client doesn't display the sidebar properly, that's on you and your choice of client. Default lemmy-ui displays it just fine.
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When I click on a post out of the All or Subscribed feed I don't go to the main community page.
When I click on a post out of the All or Subscribed feed I don’t go to the main community page.
It's literally the topmost rule of the sidebar. If your client doesn't display the sidebar properly, that's on you and your choice of client. Default lemmy-ui displays it just fine.
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It is a request in the sidebar/bottom of the page
It's a pinned post:
Which doesn't appear in anyone's feed, you only see that when you specifically go to that community's page. Which is yet another clear factor in why it should be set to private instead of public
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Which doesn't appear in anyone's feed, you only see that when you specifically go to that community's page. Which is yet another clear factor in why it should be set to private instead of public
Which doesn’t appear in anyone’s feed, you only see that when you specifically go to that community’s page. Which is yet another clear factor in why it should be set to private instead of public
If Fedia has a broken GUI, that's not their responsibility. It's the responsibility of All feed users not to badly interact with random posts.
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When you click a post, the rules might be hidden or at the bottom of the page.
It's literally the topmost rule of the sidebar. If your client doesn't display the sidebar properly, that's on you and your choice of client. Default lemmy-ui displays it just fine.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I guess you haven't ever used lemmy on a phone or in a narrow window on PC where it is hidden until you click a button to show the sidebar?
I squished it to about a third of my desktop to make it switch from side to button. It is a button on mobile for me both in portrait and landscape.
Plus if you click on the comments indicator it scrolls down to the top comment underneath the button, so you have to scroll up to click it to expand.
I'm just saying it isn't always directly in the user's face when they interact with a post and expecting everyone to double check the rules every comment is a bit silly of an expectation.
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Remembering all the rules of a massive number of communities takes effort.
And yet, you manage to live in society.
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Keeping it open means people can find it, and it only excludes men from participating. WomensStuff accepts NBs and transwomen and basically anyone who doesn't identify as a man. Just because it's not for men doesn't mean it's private.
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It’s an extremely simple request that literally requires zero work to honor.
It literally requires every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. Everyone who comes here has to do that, for every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
There is no downside.
There are tons of downsides. All the previously mentioned work, plus all the people who post there and then get reprimanded for it, which causes unpleasant feelings, making people feel excluded from the public space of the fediverse that we want people to feel welcome at, etc i really could keep listing more downsides.
Keeping it open and easy to find means higher engagement for the community and greater visibility on a safe, inclusive space for women.
No, it's the opposite of that. Keeping it open to people who actually aren't supposed to engage with the content means it's always going to be a muddled antagonistic mess.
Feels like an easy w to me.
Feels like an unforced loss for everyone to me.
It literally requires every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. Everyone who comes here has to do that, for every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
The community only excludes men from participating
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It literally requires every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. Everyone who comes here has to do that, for every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
The community only excludes men from participating
Bro is absolutely sick to his stomach and vomiting that this one community isn’t specifically designed for him and that people might have to * gulp * read the sidebar.
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It literally requires every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. Everyone who comes here has to do that, for every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
The community only excludes men from participating
Seriously, that's your retort? Ok fine, I'll rephrase.
It literally requires about half of every single person currently on the fediverse to actively block it. And it requires about half of every single new person that arrives in the fediverse to learn about this group, learn about their rule, learn how to block a group, and then go ahead and block it. About half of everyone who comes here has to do that, for about half of every single new user that joins the fediverse. Forever.
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That would be the case if it was private but it's not. I assume the purpose is to allow for visibility on the conversations happening in women's spaces. If you only care to listen to conversations you can be a part of, hide the community.
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Keeping it open means people can find it, and it only excludes men from participating. WomensStuff accepts NBs and transwomen and basically anyone who doesn't identify as a man. Just because it's not for men doesn't mean it's private.
In terms of how platforms work, a forum is either set to 'public' for everyone, or set to 'private' if you want to control who interacts with a forum
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In terms of how platforms work, a forum is either set to 'public' for everyone, or set to 'private' if you want to control who interacts with a forum
Setting it to private would limit its discoverability for people who are welcome to contribute, which as you say, is about half of all people. Some people like to lurk and read without posting which is perfectly fine and even welcomed. It's not a private forum, it's a forum that just asks men not to post.
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And yet, you manage to live in society.
Yes, and trying to remember all of those rules also takes more than zero effort. I regularly forget those rules too!
