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Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sánchez, 250 guests arriving on 90 different private jets at the wedding in Venice.

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  • D [email protected]

    far more people die in private plane crashes than in commercial airline crashes

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    God willing there'll be a few more to add to those statistics soon.

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    • iavicenna@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

      I wonder how many jet flights do a single year of collective paper straw using offsets

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      More importantly: what's the carbon footprint of an anti air missile?

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        God willing there'll be a few more to add to those statistics soon.

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        If you’re asking god for help, you’re never gonna get it. 😞

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          Article is in italian I couldn't find any news about this in english but i believe it's really important to share.

          "Sono attesi dagli 80 ai 90 aerei all’aeroporto Marco Polo di Venezia. Jet privati da Los Angeles, New York, Londra e Dubai scaricheranno in laguna un carico scintillante di star, imprenditori, supermodelle, influencer e tycoon. Il traffico aereo privato sarà talmente intenso da richiedere un coordinamento speciale tra l'aeroporto di Venezia e gli scali di riserva a Verona e Treviso. "

          Translation:

          "80 to 90 planes are expected at Venice's Marco Polo airport. Private jets from Los Angeles, New York, London and Dubai will unload a glittering cargo of stars, entrepreneurs, supermodels, influencers and tycoons into the lagoon. Private air traffic will be so intense that it will require special coordination between Venice airport and the reserve stopovers in Verona and Treviso. "

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          Maybe we will get lucky and some/all will fall into the canals and drown.

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          • D [email protected]

            far more people die in private plane crashes than in commercial airline crashes

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            One can only hope

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            • G [email protected]

              100% those are scam listings or bait and switch. You get there and they "just sold it" but here's one they just happen to have that's 3x the price, let's get you a loan for 35%apr.

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              A 2013 Nissan leaf is worth less than 1500 euros, because it's 12 years old, the battery has 80km range left on a good day and newer models have better range and features.

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              • T [email protected]

                Covid was the exception, where used cars were at times more expensive than new. At any other point, including now, it's an automatic 20 to 40% loss of value as soon as you drive it the first kilometer.

                Someone has to buy new cars. Some has to buy rolexes. Someone has to buy business class seats and 5 star hotel rooms. If you are buying any of that while poor, that is the reason you stay poor.

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                At any other point, including now, it's an automatic 20 to 40% loss of value as soon as you drive it the first kilometer.

                This is a common misconception. The car is still worth what you paid for it. You can’t turn around and sell it for what you paid for it, because the dealership can get the same car from the manufacturer at cost. No reason for them to lose the profit they just gained selling it to you. You can’t sell it to a third party for what you paid for it because they can get it from the dealership for that price, and that will come with added benefits that a private sale won’t.

                It’s simple accounting though: the value of the car TO YOU is what you spent on it. That value depreciates over time, but not because you can’t immediately sell
                it for what you paid.

                Generally speaking, a new car will cost significantly less in maintenance for the first few years. Used cars, especially less expensive ones, tend to cost more to own. It is yet another example of it being expensive to be poor.

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                • T [email protected]

                  New cars have always been a bad investment, a luxury item. You can get a year old car with 5k on the clock for a 40% discount. I'm all for improving income (and wealth) distribution, but everyone buying new cars should not be the goal.

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                  You can get a year old car with 5k on the clock for a 40% discount.

                  No you can't. That's maybe what the dealership will pay you for a trade-in, but not what you would pay to purchase such a vehicle.

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                  • hark@lemmy.worldH [email protected]

                    You can get a year old car with 5k on the clock for a 40% discount.

                    No you can't. That's maybe what the dealership will pay you for a trade-in, but not what you would pay to purchase such a vehicle.

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                    Well, it's what I paid for mine in 2019, so you are free to belive what you want. Discounts between 10% and 40% are expected:
                    ::: spoiler spoiler
                    https://www.mobile.de/magazin/artikel/jahreswagen-was-ist-das-und-lohnt-es-sich-54458
                    :::

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                      That’s why I built my cabin underground

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                      Is your Saddam Hussein structural?

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                      • T [email protected]

                        The EV battery dying the moment you look at it funny is a myth, if I were conspiratorial I'd say by the oil industry, but I firmly believe hanlon razor comes into play here.

                        Yes they degrade, but they are still useful.

                        LFP batteries (introduced around 2020) have an estimated lifespan of a million kilometers. The NMC ones less, around 400k, with warranties covering 200k.

                        If you are really worried despite all the data, Renault allows you to buy the car and rent the batteries. Those cars are on the market for about 3k nowadays, plus battery rent 60€ a month. Never worry about the battery, if it degrades Renault gives you a new one. They know they will make a big profit, because again, batteries don't degrade that easily.

                        Mass transit is the best solution but plenty of people still need cars, and for those people used EVs are the best economic (and ecological) option.

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                        Yeah.

                        So you’re kinda full of it aren’t you?

                        15yo ev’s driven normally are going going to be out of warranty, and probably pretty close to EoL, which was my point to start with.

                        Most used EVs on the market are approaching their end of life. And with batteries, range goes down before it’s technically EoL,

                        The mileage you dropped is just another way to say that.

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                          At any other point, including now, it's an automatic 20 to 40% loss of value as soon as you drive it the first kilometer.

                          This is a common misconception. The car is still worth what you paid for it. You can’t turn around and sell it for what you paid for it, because the dealership can get the same car from the manufacturer at cost. No reason for them to lose the profit they just gained selling it to you. You can’t sell it to a third party for what you paid for it because they can get it from the dealership for that price, and that will come with added benefits that a private sale won’t.

                          It’s simple accounting though: the value of the car TO YOU is what you spent on it. That value depreciates over time, but not because you can’t immediately sell
                          it for what you paid.

                          Generally speaking, a new car will cost significantly less in maintenance for the first few years. Used cars, especially less expensive ones, tend to cost more to own. It is yet another example of it being expensive to be poor.

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                          The value is the resell value. If you can't sell it for what you paid, it lost value.

                          It doesn't happen with a used car. Buy a 3 year old car, don't like it, sell it next week for the same price.

                          And the whole discussion started because EVs are cheap to maintain, so buying a used one is a great option.

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                          • B [email protected]

                            Article is in italian I couldn't find any news about this in english but i believe it's really important to share.

                            "Sono attesi dagli 80 ai 90 aerei all’aeroporto Marco Polo di Venezia. Jet privati da Los Angeles, New York, Londra e Dubai scaricheranno in laguna un carico scintillante di star, imprenditori, supermodelle, influencer e tycoon. Il traffico aereo privato sarà talmente intenso da richiedere un coordinamento speciale tra l'aeroporto di Venezia e gli scali di riserva a Verona e Treviso. "

                            Translation:

                            "80 to 90 planes are expected at Venice's Marco Polo airport. Private jets from Los Angeles, New York, London and Dubai will unload a glittering cargo of stars, entrepreneurs, supermodels, influencers and tycoons into the lagoon. Private air traffic will be so intense that it will require special coordination between Venice airport and the reserve stopovers in Verona and Treviso. "

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                            Interesting.
                            This one have more information about protests and many comments ( also in italian )
                            https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2025/06/14/venezia-protesta-nozze-bezos-brugnaro-zaia-ultime-notizie/8025608/

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                              If you’re asking god for help, you’re never gonna get it. 😞

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                              Person labeled Mass Movement Anarchist saying, "You call throwing dynamite around is Praxis?" Person labeled Nihilist Anarchist responds, while holding a lit stick of dynamite and waving nonchalantly, "Hey, as long as it works."

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                              • Z [email protected]

                                That’s why they picked Italy, Italy loves fascism

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                                Italy is also home of the people who responded to that regime by dragging Mussolini and his wife's bodies after their assassination across the country back to Milan, where they were unceremoniously dumped in a town square to be humiliated and desecrated, then hung on girders above a service station in the square by their ankles until they fell and subsequently were buried in unmarked graves.

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  A highly selective natural disaster maybe.

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                                  A single bolt of lightning that spreads to those wearing gold within a certain specific radius.

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                                    Article is in italian I couldn't find any news about this in english but i believe it's really important to share.

                                    "Sono attesi dagli 80 ai 90 aerei all’aeroporto Marco Polo di Venezia. Jet privati da Los Angeles, New York, Londra e Dubai scaricheranno in laguna un carico scintillante di star, imprenditori, supermodelle, influencer e tycoon. Il traffico aereo privato sarà talmente intenso da richiedere un coordinamento speciale tra l'aeroporto di Venezia e gli scali di riserva a Verona e Treviso. "

                                    Translation:

                                    "80 to 90 planes are expected at Venice's Marco Polo airport. Private jets from Los Angeles, New York, London and Dubai will unload a glittering cargo of stars, entrepreneurs, supermodels, influencers and tycoons into the lagoon. Private air traffic will be so intense that it will require special coordination between Venice airport and the reserve stopovers in Verona and Treviso. "

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                                    90 private jets polluting the planet just to see one rich asshole say ”I do”.

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                                    • fuglyduck@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                                      Yeah.

                                      So you’re kinda full of it aren’t you?

                                      15yo ev’s driven normally are going going to be out of warranty, and probably pretty close to EoL, which was my point to start with.

                                      Most used EVs on the market are approaching their end of life. And with batteries, range goes down before it’s technically EoL,

                                      The mileage you dropped is just another way to say that.

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                                      You don't need to buy the first ever model produced, do you? You can buy a 10 year old car, which if driven 10k a year still has half the life of its battery available. Chances are it wasn't used for road trips so it will have been driven less than 10k a year, leaving maybe 75% of its useful life. Even the first ones ever produced could have 5 or 10 years in them, depending on usage and mileage. Used EVs ARE NOT close to EoL in most cases.

                                      Plus you can get it inspected, get a battery certificate or even a second hand warranty of you are soooo worried. Or, as I said before, you buy the car and rent the battery. Doesn't make economic sense, but falling to propaganda never does. There are easy solutions besides ranting on the internet.

                                      Again, hanlon razor applies here, so I don't think you are sponsored by the oil industry, but you repeat their taking points exactly.

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                                        You don't need to buy the first ever model produced, do you? You can buy a 10 year old car, which if driven 10k a year still has half the life of its battery available. Chances are it wasn't used for road trips so it will have been driven less than 10k a year, leaving maybe 75% of its useful life. Even the first ones ever produced could have 5 or 10 years in them, depending on usage and mileage. Used EVs ARE NOT close to EoL in most cases.

                                        Plus you can get it inspected, get a battery certificate or even a second hand warranty of you are soooo worried. Or, as I said before, you buy the car and rent the battery. Doesn't make economic sense, but falling to propaganda never does. There are easy solutions besides ranting on the internet.

                                        Again, hanlon razor applies here, so I don't think you are sponsored by the oil industry, but you repeat their taking points exactly.

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                                        #139

                                        Again, hanlon razor applies here, so I don't think you are sponsored by the oil industry, but you repeat their taking points exactly.

                                        While I don’t disagree with the sentiment… the reality is that used evs are a shitty option. What we need to be doing, that would benefit everyone, is building out mass transit, that run 24/7 and at reasonable frequencies.

                                        Yes. Totally the talking points of Big Oil.

                                        Totally.

                                        You’re full of shit.

                                        A quick search, and average EU driving is about 10k km/year.

                                        Being generous here and not using the more-than-double American numbers, you can expect a typical decade-old ev to have lost about 20% of its range, and having had about 200km max range when it was out, for about 160km.

                                        Fine for daily commute, sure. Not fine if the owner ever wants to visit another city, for oh so many reasons. Not like us poors have a life. Nope all we ever do is commute, work, and go home. That’s all life is….

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                                          Again, hanlon razor applies here, so I don't think you are sponsored by the oil industry, but you repeat their taking points exactly.

                                          While I don’t disagree with the sentiment… the reality is that used evs are a shitty option. What we need to be doing, that would benefit everyone, is building out mass transit, that run 24/7 and at reasonable frequencies.

                                          Yes. Totally the talking points of Big Oil.

                                          Totally.

                                          You’re full of shit.

                                          A quick search, and average EU driving is about 10k km/year.

                                          Being generous here and not using the more-than-double American numbers, you can expect a typical decade-old ev to have lost about 20% of its range, and having had about 200km max range when it was out, for about 160km.

                                          Fine for daily commute, sure. Not fine if the owner ever wants to visit another city, for oh so many reasons. Not like us poors have a life. Nope all we ever do is commute, work, and go home. That’s all life is….

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                                          That's why I mentioned hanlons razor, parroting oil companies without stopping to think.

                                          EV not fine for another city? A 20 minute charging stop is worth thousands more in purchase costs, thousands more in maintenence costs and hours in downtime related?

                                          Want to visit another city? Stop to charge. Take the train. Fly. Walk if you want. Buying a used EV does not prevent you from doing any of those things.

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