What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?
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MBin does have one.
…for Android. Nothing for iOS.
Valid point
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What's missing from Lemmy that would make it unattractive to the average user? Remember the majority of users don't post, comment or otherwise interact with the platform beyond voting.
As I said, it has a lot more polish. Its easier to discover communities, and it has feeds.
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Apps make or break those platforms. Lemmy apps are way better than even anything Mastodon has. We got really lucky that Lemmy exploded in popularity due to Reddit API changes which meant many app developers gave Lemmy a shot. I probably wouldn’t use Lemmy so much if Voyager didn’t fill the hole Apollo left in my heart.
Voyager is so polished, it elevates the whole experience.
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It may be a bit opiniated, but it's nice to see a different approach from Lemmy devs who don't see the need for any additional moderation tool.
I brought up mod mail during the AMA, it has been considered too complex to implement. A moderation panel with an overview of the mod queue would be nice too, but not a priority.
I'm not saying Piefed is perfect, but at least they prioritize that aspect.
"moderation duties" and "regular participants" in a forum system have such different use cases, it makes no sense to try to make it work with the software itself.
It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators, instead of trying to shoehorn it in the existing API. But I don't really think that this is something that really bothers people enough, given that last time I asked if I could get 20 people interested to sponsor the development of the moderation tool, and to this day only one person showed up.
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As I said, it has a lot more polish. Its easier to discover communities, and it has feeds.
Two questions for you, I'm genuinely curious, I hope they don't come up as agressive
- why are you still using your Lemm.ee account instead of Piefed
- why create this post here instead of [email protected] ?
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"moderation duties" and "regular participants" in a forum system have such different use cases, it makes no sense to try to make it work with the software itself.
It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators, instead of trying to shoehorn it in the existing API. But I don't really think that this is something that really bothers people enough, given that last time I asked if I could get 20 people interested to sponsor the development of the moderation tool, and to this day only one person showed up.
It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators,
Piefed built it in their software without a separate tool
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It would be better/faster/easier to simply build a separate tool that can be useful for moderators,
Piefed built it in their software without a separate tool
And by doing so, it makes it available only for moderators with accounts on piefed. What is the current TAM? 20 people?
A separate tool could connect to any server federating "Report" activities. What is the current TAM? Any moderator of a group, no matter if their account is on Lemmy/PieFed/PixelFed/Misskey/Mastodon...
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And by doing so, it makes it available only for moderators with accounts on piefed. What is the current TAM? 20 people?
A separate tool could connect to any server federating "Report" activities. What is the current TAM? Any moderator of a group, no matter if their account is on Lemmy/PieFed/PixelFed/Misskey/Mastodon...
20 people?
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=7
360 currently, so around 18 times that.
A separate tool could connect to any server federating “Report” activities.
The appetite seems limited as you pointed out yourself in the comment above.
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20 people?
https://piefed.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=7
360 currently, so around 18 times that.
A separate tool could connect to any server federating “Report” activities.
The appetite seems limited as you pointed out yourself in the comment above.
360 currently
Please, read things in context. I'm talking about moderators.
Are all the 360 PieFed users also community moderators?
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Yes, you are right. Mbin is far more advanced than Lemmy. And Piefed more avanced than Lemmy, less then mbin.
There are lot neat features in mbin and piefed so i which we consider all option before pushing Lemmy everywhere. I also wish more app support from both of them.
I wish we try to remain neutral because, i strongly believe that the 3 softwares can inspire each other.
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360 currently
Please, read things in context. I'm talking about moderators.
Are all the 360 PieFed users also community moderators?
Those features also impact all Piefed users.
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Two questions for you, I'm genuinely curious, I hope they don't come up as agressive
- why are you still using your Lemm.ee account instead of Piefed
- why create this post here instead of [email protected] ?
why create this post here instead of [email protected] ?
This community is much bigger? He's asking a question so probably wants input from the most people possible.
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While theoretically true, the main bottleneck with Lemmy seems to be the database performance, so with both projects depending on PostgreSQL for that, I somewhat doubt that Piefed being written in Python will have much noticeable effect in reality.
Postgres is so quick if you know how to use it...
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Seems they're all running the same version, or Piefed doesn't tag releases:
::: spoiler piefed.social nodeinfo
curl -s https://piefed.social/nodeinfo/2.0 | jq { "openRegistrations": true, "protocols": [ "activitypub" ], "software": { "name": "PieFed", "version": "0.1" }, "usage": { "localComments": 12382, "localPosts": 1169, "users": { "activeHalfyear": 561, "activeMonth": 309, "total": 800 } }, "version": "2.0" }:::
::: spoiler feddit.online nodeinfo
curl -s https://feddit.online/nodeinfo/2.0 | jq { "openRegistrations": true, "protocols": [ "activitypub" ], "software": { "name": "PieFed", "version": "0.1" }, "usage": { "localComments": 503, "localPosts": 214, "users": { "activeHalfyear": 85, "activeMonth": 34, "total": 85 } }, "version": "2.0" }:::
There are no tags as of now. Everyone is running the main branch from Git. I suppose that's going to change at some point when PieFed deems itself ready.
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why create this post here instead of [email protected] ?
This community is much bigger? He's asking a question so probably wants input from the most people possible.
It is, but there's only one way to make Piefed grow, it's to start getting Piefed communities more active.
Lemmy covers pretty much all the topics the current Threadiverse is interested in, so at some point posters have to accept to post to smaller communities.
I'm not saying everyone has to do it, but as OP states that Piefed is more polished, I was surprised
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What's missing from Lemmy that would make it unattractive to the average user? Remember the majority of users don't post, comment or otherwise interact with the platform beyond voting.
For those that may only vote and otherwise lurk, there's a decent amount.
The inability to create multi-communities/reddits (or feeds as Piefed calls them), the absence of post-folding/deduplication for when someone posts the same article to multiple communities (sometimes similar, sometimes distinct), the absence of keyword filtering to automatically filter out stuff from local/all feeds one's uninterested in, and these are just a few from the top of my head for those that mostly lurk.
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For those that may only vote and otherwise lurk, there's a decent amount.
The inability to create multi-communities/reddits (or feeds as Piefed calls them), the absence of post-folding/deduplication for when someone posts the same article to multiple communities (sometimes similar, sometimes distinct), the absence of keyword filtering to automatically filter out stuff from local/all feeds one's uninterested in, and these are just a few from the top of my head for those that mostly lurk.
Fair point, but mobile apps and inertia seem to outweigh those additional features
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There are no tags as of now. Everyone is running the main branch from Git. I suppose that's going to change at some point when PieFed deems itself ready.
You guys are a lot braver than me lol, I'd never run the Lemmy main branch in prod.
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We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it's not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.
There are now sizeable communities run on Lemmy instances that are reinforced by network effects. There needs to be a significant reason for them to migrate.
Its written in piefed, but I don't think the overhead is too much because the bottleneck is DB performance.
It has support for lemmy's protocol, so the network effect really isn't an issue. -
again, the apps are the killer.
iirc, piefed's api is very similar to lemmy's, so apps could support both.
