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What features are missing from piefed, or, why aren't we reccommending piefed instead of lemmy?

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  • irelephant@lemm.eeI This user is from outside of this forum
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    Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

    Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

    App support is one thing I can think of.

    avidamoeba@lemmy.caA simple@lemm.eeS rglullis@communick.newsR endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgE sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS 14 Replies Last reply
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    • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

      Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

      Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

      App support is one thing I can think of.

      avidamoeba@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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      We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it's not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

      There are now sizeable communities run on Lemmy instances that are reinforced by network effects. There needs to be a significant reason for them to migrate.

      die4ever@retrolemmy.comD sibshops@lemm.eeS irelephant@lemm.eeI rimu@piefed.socialR 4 Replies Last reply
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      • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

        Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

        Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

        App support is one thing I can think of.

        simple@lemm.eeS This user is from outside of this forum
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        My biggest issue with Piefed is how much space the UI uses. Last I checked it didn't have a "compact mode" like current Lemmy or Alexandrite. Browsing communities is also a bit awkward since it shows you so many topics without a way to sort or remove them.

        snoopy@piefed.socialS rimu@piefed.socialR jeena@piefed.jeena.netJ 3 Replies Last reply
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        • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

          Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

          Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

          App support is one thing I can think of.

          rglullis@communick.newsR This user is from outside of this forum
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          Personally, because I think all server-centric AP software is broken and I want to see a client-first application to browse the social web.

          Piefed goes in the opposite direction, giving more power to the server admins and taking a good page of social engineering / "nudge theory" principles to apply in its design. Much like Mastodon, it seems to be strongly opinionated about how people should behave and it kinda gives me an icky feeling about its culture.

          blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.comB irelephant@lemm.eeI sortekanin@feddit.dkS 3 Replies Last reply
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          • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

            Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

            Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

            App support is one thing I can think of.

            endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            Why aren't we suggesting Mbin over Lemmy, actually? Because it seems like it has the same options. And Mbin even has an app (not just the PWA function)!

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            • endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgE [email protected]

              Why aren't we suggesting Mbin over Lemmy, actually? Because it seems like it has the same options. And Mbin even has an app (not just the PWA function)!

              troyunrau@lemmy.caT This user is from outside of this forum
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              There's quite a few nice apps for Lemmy. I'm using Connect for Lemmy on android and it's wonderful.

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              • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it's not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

                There are now sizeable communities run on Lemmy instances that are reinforced by network effects. There needs to be a significant reason for them to migrate.

                die4ever@retrolemmy.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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                We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it’s not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

                I don't think this is a major concern yet. The largest PieFed instance has 308 active users, 2nd place has 34. They've got room to grow.

                https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list

                People can start posting about PieFed on Reddit and see how the Reddit users react.

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                • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                  Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                  Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                  App support is one thing I can think of.

                  sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Is there even a second instance running piefed? I've only seen piefed.social

                  flamingos@feddit.ukF die4ever@retrolemmy.comD irelephant@lemm.eeI jeena@piefed.jeena.netJ 4 Replies Last reply
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                  • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                    Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                    Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                    App support is one thing I can think of.

                    flamingos@feddit.ukF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    What's missing from Lemmy that would make it unattractive to the average user? Remember the majority of users don't post, comment or otherwise interact with the platform beyond voting.

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                    • troyunrau@lemmy.caT [email protected]

                      There's quite a few nice apps for Lemmy. I'm using Connect for Lemmy on android and it's wonderful.

                      endymion_mallorn@kbin.melroy.orgE This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      Oh, I'm aware that both Lemmy and Mastodon have good apps. I'm just pointing out that if the 'argument' is that alternatives don't have an app, MBin does have one.

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                      • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD [email protected]

                        We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it’s not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

                        I don't think this is a major concern yet. The largest PieFed instance has 308 active users, 2nd place has 34. They've got room to grow.

                        https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list

                        People can start posting about PieFed on Reddit and see how the Reddit users react.

                        avidamoeba@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        But how is that not a concern if you're interested in attracting more users? You run an instance with 500 users. Some thread on Reddit explodes and you get 1000-10000 new users in a few days. If Piefed has poor scaling you might be unable to pay the bills for your now much larger instance. That's not gonna be great for you or the new users.

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                        • sabrew4k3@lazysoci.alS [email protected]

                          Is there even a second instance running piefed? I've only seen piefed.social

                          flamingos@feddit.ukF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          There's feddit.online and some personal ones I've seen knocking about.

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                          • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                            We have data on what it costs to run a sizeable instance of Lemmy and it's not a lot. How does Piefed compare? Anyone starting an instance who envisions it growing large has to contend with this question.

                            There are now sizeable communities run on Lemmy instances that are reinforced by network effects. There needs to be a significant reason for them to migrate.

                            sibshops@lemm.eeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                            I second this. Lemmy is written in Rust where as piefed is written in Python. When it comes to running a high-performance webserver, Lemmy has the advantage.

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                            • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                              But how is that not a concern if you're interested in attracting more users? You run an instance with 500 users. Some thread on Reddit explodes and you get 1000-10000 new users in a few days. If Piefed has poor scaling you might be unable to pay the bills for your now much larger instance. That's not gonna be great for you or the new users.

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                              I think it's unlikely that they would attract such a large number of users with 1 post/comment on r/RedditAlternatives or something. Lemmy gets spammed everywhere and we usually don't even gain 1000 users a day overall across all instances.

                              There's already been some comments about PieFed and they didn't result in huge surges.

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                              • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                                Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                                App support is one thing I can think of.

                                misk@sopuli.xyzM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Apps make or break those platforms. Lemmy apps are way better than even anything Mastodon has. We got really lucky that Lemmy exploded in popularity due to Reddit API changes which meant many app developers gave Lemmy a shot. I probably wouldn’t use Lemmy so much if Voyager didn’t fill the hole Apollo left in my heart.

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                                • die4ever@retrolemmy.comD [email protected]

                                  I think it's unlikely that they would attract such a large number of users with 1 post/comment on r/RedditAlternatives or something. Lemmy gets spammed everywhere and we usually don't even gain 1000 users a day overall across all instances.

                                  There's already been some comments about PieFed and they didn't result in huge surges.

                                  avidamoeba@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Sure but does the rate of growth matter? The post asks about recommending Piefed instead of Lemmy. I presume the point is that the number of Piefed users would grow if we did that. So whether a thread produces 10, 1000, or 10000 users in a day, the number of users would grow over time. Then I think the question remains, if my Piefed instance costs $10/mo to run today, would it cost $100 with 10000 users or $1000, or more, or less?

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                                  • sibshops@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                                    I second this. Lemmy is written in Rust where as piefed is written in Python. When it comes to running a high-performance webserver, Lemmy has the advantage.

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                                    While theoretically true, the main bottleneck with Lemmy seems to be the database performance, so with both projects depending on PostgreSQL for that, I somewhat doubt that Piefed being written in Python will have much noticeable effect in reality.

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                                    • irelephant@lemm.eeI [email protected]

                                      Every time I go to the piefed frontpage I'm blown away by how much more polished it is. It has all the bells and whistles that lemmy is sometimes missing.

                                      Whats the catch? Why aren't we recommending everyone goes to piefed instead of lemmy?

                                      App support is one thing I can think of.

                                      ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.comD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      All your saying is, it looks better. I am not using any Lemmy webfrontend, I've always been using the apps that are available, many of which are absolutely polished.

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                                      • sibshops@lemm.eeS [email protected]

                                        I second this. Lemmy is written in Rust where as piefed is written in Python. When it comes to running a high-performance webserver, Lemmy has the advantage.

                                        avidamoeba@lemmy.caA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Yeah, this would be my concern as well if I had to run it. Sure Python apps can be fast and most time is spend in IO, not compute, and if you're running a profitable operation the exact cost of compute might not matter much. However if you're running a non-profit service and you want it to be as dirt cheap as possible so it can be free for most users, then the cost of compute very much does matter.

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                                        • avidamoeba@lemmy.caA [email protected]

                                          Sure but does the rate of growth matter? The post asks about recommending Piefed instead of Lemmy. I presume the point is that the number of Piefed users would grow if we did that. So whether a thread produces 10, 1000, or 10000 users in a day, the number of users would grow over time. Then I think the question remains, if my Piefed instance costs $10/mo to run today, would it cost $100 with 10000 users or $1000, or more, or less?

                                          Relevant

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                                          The rate of growth does matter yea. If an instance gets worried, they can lock signups. Slow growth means the software has time to improve as they notice issues.

                                          Lemmy had many issues scaling before, except Lemmy had huge surges with the Reddit API blackouts.

                                          If people start recommending PieFed now, it's on their own terms instead of a massive wave. They can backoff if they get too many users.

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