Ubi, it's $70 and people are vary of your mile wide puddles that drop 75% in price after half a year
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Australian method actor and five-time Academy Award winner, Kirk Lazarus, can explain.
Ah yes, the dude playing a dude disguised as another dude approach
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I hate that nazis glom onto any bad game and ruin the discussion around it.
Hardly ruin, you have to purposefully go find them gloating over Steam charts. But it's too funny that people really have choice enough now in the good graphics segment that Ubisoft is sinking. It's my fault, I cursed them when they left Steam for their 4-UAC-prompts-whenever-you-start PoS. They showed total contempt for their users with Breakpoint, tried an nft grift on the side, evolved all cosmetics to clown shoes level and totally failed to offer anything new. Where's Reflextions? Stuff like Grow Up / Home, metroidvanias on UbiArt Framework? They have great 3D engines and can't keep a team happy or unfired enough to have people that know how to use it and optimize a game and are able to take some risks with game design. It's all either heavily monetized multiplayer dreck or incremental QoL features in ever larger and shallower sandboxes in one of few large franchise flavors. There's not that much to discuss, woo bamboo cutting tech, a new coat of paint and some gimmicks. People claiming it's failing because it's either woke or culture appropriating are ascribing cultural import to a happy meal.
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The story's title is in reference to "The last of the Samurai", not Tom being a Samurai, and the last one.
Kind of reminds me of Big Trouble in Little China, where the story follows a white guy, and the true heroes are in the background.
That's the narrative shared by the studio which I begrudgingly accept. Even though the title and Tom being the face of it muddles it a lot. And I also don't consider it a good movie.
I mean, it's a common trope in story telling to use an outsider protagonist (from the perspective of the people in the story) to allow world building and immersion in the world/culture your story is set within.
So, the "guy with amnesia", "orphan kid", "dude in a foreign land", "time traveler", "new person in the organization", "certain types of isekai" tropes all exist to tell a story where the reader/viewer get to learn as they go.
Fairly popular in historical fiction, fantasy, and many other genera.
It makes "Shogun", "The Last Samurai", "Marco Polo", "Big Trouble in Little China", and others like them more accessible to "Western" aka "white guy" demographics.
I don't really see an issue with it, when done well.
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I remember people complaining about that movie when it came out actually
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Joke's on you; neither are OK. The Last Samurai is only good to those with weird exotic ideas about Samurai, Japan, and that time period.
Would be cool if there was a series about the actual French admiral that movie is based on, and all the political miandering that happened in that time.
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Oh man I just remembered how great that could have been.
Red Dead 2 dealt with racist cults so elegantly.
And Far Cry 5's "Oh we're going there!" And making the most surface-level milquetoast bullshit I have ever seen.
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The fun thing about The Last Samurai is that the title doesn't refer to Tom Cruise. He does not play a samurai in the film. He plays an American officer.
He hangs with a group of samurai, who are collectively the last of their kind.
That said, plenty of people complained about it in its day.
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How do you act as anyone else ever? Unless you are a genetic clone of the person you must not be allowed to act!
Acting is not about changing the appearance.
Race is relevant since it tells us quite a bit about someone and people of different races are and have historically been treated differently by society. Japanese people, for instance, were(still are) quite xenophobic.
Why not cast an african or a white person as the Emperor of Japan then? Can't they act?
Let's have a white Martin Luther King. Let's make black people play slaveowners and whip other blacks around, surely they can act quite well.
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Joke's on you; neither are OK. The Last Samurai is only good to those with weird exotic ideas about Samurai, Japan, and that time period.
Would be cool if there was a series about the actual French admiral that movie is based on, and all the political miandering that happened in that time.
Loved the film as a kid, would be down to watch that series if it was ever created!
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Why do people manufacture arguments like this? Who is arguing that one is okay while the other isn’t? A couple random people on the Internet?
The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.
Whataboutism at its finest.
Did it not occur to this person that perhaps some people just don’t care about the movie, haven’t seen the movie, or plain just didn’t bring it up because it’s a movie? Is it “double standards” for one to pick their battles and not be enraged at everything all the time? My god this shit is exhausting.
Disclaimer: I have no opinion on the game itself because I frankly don’t care about it because I’m not the biggest Ubisoft fan outside of Rayman. Nor does the above necessarily reflect my opinion on the game’s history accuracy. I’ve always loved The Last Samurai and Memoirs of a Geisha though and find both beautiful and touching films, so make of that as you will.
The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.
You should watch the movie. Cruise's character does not become a samurai. He spends time with the last samurai.
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Yup, Last Samourai is 22 years old. Back then a lot of social issues have not been widely discussed.
In 2003? What are you talking about? The only thing we weren't talking about by then was trans-rights.
The uncomfortable racism was noted.
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The fun thing about The Last Samurai is that the title doesn't refer to Tom Cruise. He does not play a samurai in the film. He plays an American officer.
He hangs with a group of samurai, who are collectively the last of their kind.
That said, plenty of people complained about it in its day.
I might be terribly incorrect.
But i remember that Tom Cruise's character switches sides in the movie after spending time with the Samurai (He was captured by them). He trains under them and becomes a Samurai. In the end, they fight against the (British?) and lose due to a gattling gun. All the Samurai die except for Tom's character.
So symbolically, Tom is the Last Samurai. -
I might be terribly incorrect.
But i remember that Tom Cruise's character switches sides in the movie after spending time with the Samurai (He was captured by them). He trains under them and becomes a Samurai. In the end, they fight against the (British?) and lose due to a gattling gun. All the Samurai die except for Tom's character.
So symbolically, Tom is the Last Samurai. -
Lol as good as the production looked even as a white dude I kind of cracked up at Tommy in that role.
I thought so too in the beginning. But the English character in that series is more of a... Useful tool that gets used. He has no agency and he never realises it throughout the entire series.
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Say what you will about the white savior trope, but wasn't there a historical reason for Tom Cruise's character to be there? Japan was accepting foreign influence and modernization at that time, from what I know of history.
Except The Last Samurai isn't remotely historical.
Tom Cruise's is very roughly based in a French admiral. That admiral got sent specifically to Japan to create political relations with a certain faction of Samurai to further French interests there. The French admiral was made samurai as honorary title and put into service of the household.
During the final battle (which was a castle siege, and both sides were using guns), the French admiral was released from service and sent home.
If a movie or a series were to be made of this, and if it were to be somewhat accurate, it'd be closer to a political thriller with some battles in between.
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Except The Last Samurai isn't remotely historical.
Tom Cruise's is very roughly based in a French admiral. That admiral got sent specifically to Japan to create political relations with a certain faction of Samurai to further French interests there. The French admiral was made samurai as honorary title and put into service of the household.
During the final battle (which was a castle siege, and both sides were using guns), the French admiral was released from service and sent home.
If a movie or a series were to be made of this, and if it were to be somewhat accurate, it'd be closer to a political thriller with some battles in between.
Good thing I was expecting historical fiction then and not a documentary or even a dramatization of true events.
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Hardly ruin, you have to purposefully go find them gloating over Steam charts. But it's too funny that people really have choice enough now in the good graphics segment that Ubisoft is sinking. It's my fault, I cursed them when they left Steam for their 4-UAC-prompts-whenever-you-start PoS. They showed total contempt for their users with Breakpoint, tried an nft grift on the side, evolved all cosmetics to clown shoes level and totally failed to offer anything new. Where's Reflextions? Stuff like Grow Up / Home, metroidvanias on UbiArt Framework? They have great 3D engines and can't keep a team happy or unfired enough to have people that know how to use it and optimize a game and are able to take some risks with game design. It's all either heavily monetized multiplayer dreck or incremental QoL features in ever larger and shallower sandboxes in one of few large franchise flavors. There's not that much to discuss, woo bamboo cutting tech, a new coat of paint and some gimmicks. People claiming it's failing because it's either woke or culture appropriating are ascribing cultural import to a happy meal.
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Why do people manufacture arguments like this? Who is arguing that one is okay while the other isn’t? A couple random people on the Internet?
The only thing I can think of is The Last Samurai is a 20 year old movie and that somehow means not bringing up this historic fictional movie = you’re okay about a white dude becoming a samurai but not okay about a black dude becoming a samurai.
Whataboutism at its finest.
Did it not occur to this person that perhaps some people just don’t care about the movie, haven’t seen the movie, or plain just didn’t bring it up because it’s a movie? Is it “double standards” for one to pick their battles and not be enraged at everything all the time? My god this shit is exhausting.
Disclaimer: I have no opinion on the game itself because I frankly don’t care about it because I’m not the biggest Ubisoft fan outside of Rayman. Nor does the above necessarily reflect my opinion on the game’s history accuracy. I’ve always loved The Last Samurai and Memoirs of a Geisha though and find both beautiful and touching films, so make of that as you will.
It is a fighting game with stereotypical characters. Not historically accurate in any way. This is astroturfing by some org that wants racial in fighting
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Good thing I was expecting historical fiction then and not a documentary or even a dramatization of true events.
It can be a bit of both. You can tell a good story that also stays true to the historical events. Not being being able to do that shows a lack of skill and imagination.
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It can be a bit of both. You can tell a good story that also stays true to the historical events. Not being being able to do that shows a lack of skill and imagination.
Are you telling me The Last Samurai wasn't skillfully made or imaginative? Nah, it was no masterpiece, but I liked it just fine. Having some westerners in Japan training their military on modern weaponry as the samurai are fading from relevance passes my threshold for "remotely historical", and it's definitely not a requirement for me that Tom Cruise's character needs to have an American historical analog to meet that criteria. Any historical fiction will inherently have to change things about what actually happened in that era, after all.
