I feel like this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but...
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I feel like this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but... really, I don't see a problem with these people having this event, and I think the person who got up to sing the pro-LGBTQ+ song was in the wrong here. But let me explain before you crucify me.
It's pride month, and they have anti-LGBTQ+ views. Holding their own event for people with similar views is by far preferable to going and causing problems at pride events, and while I don't agree with their views, I support their freedom to hold them, given they aren't causing problems for others, which it sounds like they weren't.
An LGBTQ+ person "crashing" their event isn't really any different from an anti-LGBTQ+ person crashing a pride event, which I'd obviously have a problem with, so I think it'd be somewhat hypocritical to applaud someone for doing it to these people, however much I disagree with their viewpoint.
Edit: Yep, knew it'd be unpopular. Rather than just downvoting me, though, why not tell me why you disagree?
You acted like you were being downvoted and no one was willing to have a discussion with you, and then you ignored the vast majority of well spoken, detailed, lengthy replies you got. You're trolling.
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Lmfao I made the Nazi sympathizer comment before you posted this one. I really hit the nail on the head, eh?
Well, to answer your other comment, it's replies like this that made me realize it's just not worth trying to have a discussion with the folks who disagree with me, because I won't change their mind, and they won't change mine. I think you (and the majority of folks replying here) are not considering the simple fact that taking away spaces occupied by people you dislike will not make them go away - it'll just make them try to take over your spaces, instead (hence the Nazi bar analogy).
Regardless, I'm not going to engage any further here. If you want to have a rational discussion, you can DM me and I'll happily discuss it with you. I had my say, everyone else had theirs, and I don't really think there's anything more that needs to be said.
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Well, to answer your other comment, it's replies like this that made me realize it's just not worth trying to have a discussion with the folks who disagree with me, because I won't change their mind, and they won't change mine. I think you (and the majority of folks replying here) are not considering the simple fact that taking away spaces occupied by people you dislike will not make them go away - it'll just make them try to take over your spaces, instead (hence the Nazi bar analogy).
Regardless, I'm not going to engage any further here. If you want to have a rational discussion, you can DM me and I'll happily discuss it with you. I had my say, everyone else had theirs, and I don't really think there's anything more that needs to be said.
It used to be acceptable to wear Nazi attire in public, now it's not. I can see where you're coming from stating that people are going to do what they want, it reminds me of my feelings towards certain drugs being illegal. However I'll stand by my argument that we need to speak up against bigotry and hatred, not prop it up or defend it. I think it's important that not only are these people allowed to organize and gather, but that we actively oppose them and create a hostile environment for them.
I'm not going to DM you because you've already shared the fact that you're unwilling to change your mind. I wonder what your childhood self would say if you shared that you were that closed minded, and brazenly open about the fact that not even facts and logic could convince you to change. As much as I believe in what I say, I won't say that no one can change my mind. I implore you to look inward and be better my guy.
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It used to be acceptable to wear Nazi attire in public, now it's not. I can see where you're coming from stating that people are going to do what they want, it reminds me of my feelings towards certain drugs being illegal. However I'll stand by my argument that we need to speak up against bigotry and hatred, not prop it up or defend it. I think it's important that not only are these people allowed to organize and gather, but that we actively oppose them and create a hostile environment for them.
I'm not going to DM you because you've already shared the fact that you're unwilling to change your mind. I wonder what your childhood self would say if you shared that you were that closed minded, and brazenly open about the fact that not even facts and logic could convince you to change. As much as I believe in what I say, I won't say that no one can change my mind. I implore you to look inward and be better my guy.
I didn't say I was unwilling to change my mind; I said that it became clear that it wasn't going to be changed by the people replying. If you want to debate it, my DMs are open, but leave the ad hominem attacks out of it or it'll be a very short discussion.
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I mean, they are calling it a "Hetero Awesome" event. Which is fine, as straight people are awesome! But so are the gays.
If these folks are so triggered by someone singing a pro-LGBTQ+ song, though, it makes me think it was never about how awesome anyone is in the first place. It seems more to be about "Gays are not awesome like we are" than "We're awesome". See how the message is different?
I bet if a Straight Ally showed up at a Pride event singing a song about how awesome Straight People are, nobody would have a problem with that, as long as it wasn't trying to dunk on some other group in the process.
(Now, that is leading me to wonder what the most "Hetero Awesome" song might be. What song would you pick as the Straight People Anthem?)
Ram Ranch
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I didn't say I was unwilling to change my mind; I said that it became clear that it wasn't going to be changed by the people replying. If you want to debate it, my DMs are open, but leave the ad hominem attacks out of it or it'll be a very short discussion.
You said your mind won't be changed. Using your own words against you doesn't amount to an ad hominem. I'm not going to let you gaslight me into a private discussion despite your insistence; you can be public with your discussion, or you can stop replying, but I'm not taking the bait and playing your game.
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It used to be acceptable to wear Nazi attire in public, now it's not. I can see where you're coming from stating that people are going to do what they want, it reminds me of my feelings towards certain drugs being illegal. However I'll stand by my argument that we need to speak up against bigotry and hatred, not prop it up or defend it. I think it's important that not only are these people allowed to organize and gather, but that we actively oppose them and create a hostile environment for them.
I'm not going to DM you because you've already shared the fact that you're unwilling to change your mind. I wonder what your childhood self would say if you shared that you were that closed minded, and brazenly open about the fact that not even facts and logic could convince you to change. As much as I believe in what I say, I won't say that no one can change my mind. I implore you to look inward and be better my guy.
@Nurse_Robot I encourage you to read Sun-Tzu's The Art of War, just as one source of the human nature of conflict.
It is dangerous folly to corner people as you seem to be suggesting. Like it or not, people you hate are also human beings, with all the same rights you wish to have. If you seek to deprive them of their own space, they WILL come for yours; indeed, they will have little choice.
You cannot petulantly demand or try to require that people or views you don't like have no peace.
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@Nurse_Robot I encourage you to read Sun-Tzu's The Art of War, just as one source of the human nature of conflict.
It is dangerous folly to corner people as you seem to be suggesting. Like it or not, people you hate are also human beings, with all the same rights you wish to have. If you seek to deprive them of their own space, they WILL come for yours; indeed, they will have little choice.
You cannot petulantly demand or try to require that people or views you don't like have no peace.
