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The European Union Decides to Rearm

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    Leaders of the European Union have voted to approve a plan to dramatically increase defense spending. The move is a reaction to the U.S. reducing its support for Ukraine in the war against Russia's invasion. We go to Brussels to understand the ramifications.

    And we hear what the series of recent developments in the relationship between the U.S. and Ukraine could mean for peace talks with Russia.

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    I wish all Americans very congratulations on getting Germany to rearm, something you’ve avoided for 70 years

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      I wish all Americans very congratulations on getting Germany to rearm, something you’ve avoided for 70 years

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      My fellows are so blind and deep in the cult. I genuinely think it's going to be dictatorship or civil war.

      That said, Trump is so effective at being anti-war, that he's got the entirety of Europe re-arming! 10/10

      Stg MAGA's had a few lines about how Hillary or Kamala would bring us closer to WW3

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      • extremedullard@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

        I can totally see how European military expenditures are going to lower the price of eggs.

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        Another Russian troll...

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          Leaders of the European Union have voted to approve a plan to dramatically increase defense spending. The move is a reaction to the U.S. reducing its support for Ukraine in the war against Russia's invasion. We go to Brussels to understand the ramifications.

          And we hear what the series of recent developments in the relationship between the U.S. and Ukraine could mean for peace talks with Russia.

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          And nothing from that extra spending will go to US military complex. For what it's worth it will probably even go down.

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            I wish all Americans very congratulations on getting Germany to rearm, something you’ve avoided for 70 years

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            That is not true. Both Germanys did rearm in the Cold War and ended up with massive armies.

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            • extremedullard@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

              I can totally see how European military expenditures are going to lower the price of eggs.

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              For those less smart then Trump:

              US being unreliable -> EU does not buy US weapons -> US economy weakens -> Americans have less money -> Demand for eggs falls -> egg prices fall

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                That is not true. Both Germanys did rearm in the Cold War and ended up with massive armies.

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                But it was split in half. First time since the 40s that a United Germany is a military powerhouse

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                  For those less smart then Trump:

                  US being unreliable -> EU does not buy US weapons -> US economy weakens -> Americans have less money -> Demand for eggs falls -> egg prices fall

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                  Actually you didn't quite capture the genius of Trump.
                  It goes like this:

                  US dismantles CDC ▶ Bird flu kills all birds ▶ No more eggs ▶ No more price of eggs

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                  • extremedullard@lemmy.sdf.orgE [email protected]

                    Actually you didn't quite capture the genius of Trump.
                    It goes like this:

                    US dismantles CDC ▶ Bird flu kills all birds ▶ No more eggs ▶ No more price of eggs

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                    also no more inflation, because you just set the egg price to an arbitrary negative value like -700 USD and it will balance out all the products getting more expensive.

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                      Leaders of the European Union have voted to approve a plan to dramatically increase defense spending. The move is a reaction to the U.S. reducing its support for Ukraine in the war against Russia's invasion. We go to Brussels to understand the ramifications.

                      And we hear what the series of recent developments in the relationship between the U.S. and Ukraine could mean for peace talks with Russia.

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                      Although I understand the need, the re-armament of Europe makes me sad. Imagine what we could have done with all this money.
                      Research, culture, decarbonisation, social programs, housing... but instead we have to use it on ways to kill people.

                      Sad really.

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                        Although I understand the need, the re-armament of Europe makes me sad. Imagine what we could have done with all this money.
                        Research, culture, decarbonisation, social programs, housing... but instead we have to use it on ways to kill people.

                        Sad really.

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                        This money literally wouldn't exist otherwise. Or in other words: We could just create some more money for housing if we wished to. The hard limit is never money, the hard limit is willpower and material resources.

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                          This money literally wouldn't exist otherwise. Or in other words: We could just create some more money for housing if we wished to. The hard limit is never money, the hard limit is willpower and material resources.

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                          But this money is willpower and material resources that could be spent elsewhere : research, culture, decarbonisation, social programs, housing...

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                            My fellows are so blind and deep in the cult. I genuinely think it's going to be dictatorship or civil war.

                            That said, Trump is so effective at being anti-war, that he's got the entirety of Europe re-arming! 10/10

                            Stg MAGA's had a few lines about how Hillary or Kamala would bring us closer to WW3

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                            And you're only 3 months in! (6%)

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                              And you're only 3 months in! (6%)

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                              Funny enough? The day the government is set to shutdown if not funded.. is day 53 of the administration

                              It only took Hitler 53 days

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                                But this money is willpower and material resources that could be spent elsewhere : research, culture, decarbonisation, social programs, housing...

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                                Material resources are material resources. Money is a declaration of mutual trust that is created in the central bank's computers.

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                                  Material resources are material resources. Money is a declaration of mutual trust that is created in the central bank's computers.

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                                  I don't get what you are trying to say? You don't think this money will be used to use material resources and employ people in weapon industry?

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                                    I don't get what you are trying to say? You don't think this money will be used to use material resources and employ people in weapon industry?

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                                    That's different from what you said before. ("Money is material resources"). Money can be used to buy material resources, but it is not equal to material resources.

                                    Believing the latter leads to the assumption that money is somehow sparse (for governments) and governments should e.g. reduce social or infrastructure spendings to finance the military instead of taking on debt.

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                                      But it was split in half. First time since the 40s that a United Germany is a military powerhouse

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                                      It's not yet.

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                                        But this money is willpower and material resources that could be spent elsewhere : research, culture, decarbonisation, social programs, housing...

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                                        Though I share your frustration, you just don't get to have most of those things, if your country gets invaded.

                                        And if YOUR country is lucky to be left alone, yet only your neighbouring countries are invaded, that is bound to affect you economically regardless.

                                        From a purely economic perspective, I would think rearming Europe is the least costly thing to do in the long run.

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                                          Funny enough? The day the government is set to shutdown if not funded.. is day 53 of the administration

                                          It only took Hitler 53 days

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                                          That's not funny at all 😞

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