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      Also funny how psychological projection was formalized as a concept by Freud. Have anything to tell us, Sigmund?

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        Oh man it just sucks when you "accidentally" have sex with your mom.

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          On the other hand, any mythological stories about sons who schutpped Mom and had no regrets? Pretty sure that's not a thing.

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            Oh man it just sucks when you "accidentally" have sex with your mom.

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            Also known as a Freudian slip.

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              The fact that he later regretted it, doesn't change the fact that he was having sex with her.

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                We read this in school in like the 7th grade. When the teacher read out something to the tune of "I've soiled the field from which I had sprung" I gave a little laugh and the teacher stopped and asked the class if anyone else knew what that meant. Not a single other kid had a clue, or at least didn't want to answer.

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                  Everyone should reread the story. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oedipus-Greek-mythology

                  Dude didn't know and was trying to be a great guy.

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                    Also funny how psychological projection was formalized as a concept by Freud. Have anything to tell us, Sigmund?

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                    Mathematicians: get novel ideas named after themselves.
                    Freud: No, no, it was totally that other guy.

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                      Everyone should reread the story. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oedipus-Greek-mythology

                      Dude didn't know and was trying to be a great guy.

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                      Whereas Freud was not

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                        The fact that he later regretted it, doesn't change the fact that he was having sex with her.

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                        It's a fundamental and intentional omission that completely alters the implication of the referenced work to fit Freud's use of it. šŸ¤ŒšŸ¼

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                          On the other hand, any mythological stories about sons who schutpped Mom and had no regrets? Pretty sure that's not a thing.

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                          Zeus has entered the chat

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                            How do these things seem to get turned around? Oedipus, jack of all trades, blood is thicker than water, curiosity killed the cat… so many phrases get truncated and used to mean the opposite of what they originally intended.

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                              The fact that he later regretted it, doesn't change the fact that he was having sex with her.

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                              are you unaware that he didn't know haephestus was his mother because he was adopted after his mother and father tried to have him killed as an infant, or are you intentionally ignoring that he didn't know?

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                                are you unaware that he didn't know haephestus was his mother because he was adopted after his mother and father tried to have him killed as an infant, or are you intentionally ignoring that he didn't know?

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                                He saw her, he found her hot, he had sex with her.

                                All of this is related to his subconsciousness, which also has access to his body recognizing smell and shape.

                                That is consistent with the allegation of Freud, that the subconsciousness wants to have sex with the mothers.

                                See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex#Background

                                However, in The Interpretation of Dreams, Freud makes it clear that the "primordial urges and fears" that are his concern and the basis of the Oedipal complex are inherent in the myths the play is based on, not primarily in the play itself, which Freud refers to as a "further modification of the legend" that originates in a "misconceived secondary revision of the material, which has sought to exploit it for theological purposes"

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                                  "Freud's ideas of castration anxiety and penis envy refer to the differences of the sexes in their experience of the Oedipus complex."

                                  https://wiki.froth.zone/wiki/Oedipus_complex

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                                    Whereas Freud was not

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                                    Freud was trying to be the best cokehead

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                                      Everyone should reread the story. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oedipus-Greek-mythology

                                      Dude didn't know and was trying to be a great guy.

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                                      This source says he blinded himself, but did not kill himself. His mother killed herself though

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                                        He saw her, he found her hot, he had sex with her.

                                        All of this is related to his subconsciousness, which also has access to his body recognizing smell and shape.

                                        That is consistent with the allegation of Freud, that the subconsciousness wants to have sex with the mothers.

                                        See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex#Background

                                        However, in The Interpretation of Dreams, Freud makes it clear that the "primordial urges and fears" that are his concern and the basis of the Oedipal complex are inherent in the myths the play is based on, not primarily in the play itself, which Freud refers to as a "further modification of the legend" that originates in a "misconceived secondary revision of the material, which has sought to exploit it for theological purposes"

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                                        Nobody, and I mean NOBODY with any amount of psychology education actually think Freud was right on anything. He was the biggest pseudoscientist of all time.

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                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex#Criticism

                                        Studies conducted of children's attitudes to parents at the oedipal stage do not demonstrate the shifts in positive feelings that are predicted by the theory.[54] Case studies that Freud relied upon, such as the case of Little Hans, could not be verified through research or experimentation on a larger population.[55] Adolf Grünbaum argues that the type of evidence Freud and his followers used, the clinical productions of patients during analytic treatment, by their nature cannot provide cogent observational support for Freud's core hypotheses.[56]

                                        Evolutionary psychologists Martin Daly and Margo Wilson, in their 1988 book Homicide, argue that the Oedipus complex theory yields few testable predictions. They find no evidence of the Oedipus complex in people. There is evidence of parent–child conflict but it is not for sexual possession of the opposite sex-parent.[57]

                                        According to psychiatrist Jeffrey Lieberman, Freud and his followers resisted subjecting his theories, including the Oedipus theory, to scientific testing and verification.[58] Lieberman claims that investigations based in cognitive psychology either contradict or fail to support Freud's ideas.[58]

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                                          Nobody, and I mean NOBODY with any amount of psychology education actually think Freud was right on anything. He was the biggest pseudoscientist of all time.

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                                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex#Criticism

                                          Studies conducted of children's attitudes to parents at the oedipal stage do not demonstrate the shifts in positive feelings that are predicted by the theory.[54] Case studies that Freud relied upon, such as the case of Little Hans, could not be verified through research or experimentation on a larger population.[55] Adolf Grünbaum argues that the type of evidence Freud and his followers used, the clinical productions of patients during analytic treatment, by their nature cannot provide cogent observational support for Freud's core hypotheses.[56]

                                          Evolutionary psychologists Martin Daly and Margo Wilson, in their 1988 book Homicide, argue that the Oedipus complex theory yields few testable predictions. They find no evidence of the Oedipus complex in people. There is evidence of parent–child conflict but it is not for sexual possession of the opposite sex-parent.[57]

                                          According to psychiatrist Jeffrey Lieberman, Freud and his followers resisted subjecting his theories, including the Oedipus theory, to scientific testing and verification.[58] Lieberman claims that investigations based in cognitive psychology either contradict or fail to support Freud's ideas.[58]

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                                          arguably the study of psychology draws more from trying to determine what the fuck was wrong with freud than it does freud getting anything right at all

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