Everything is a problem
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I don't think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
As bad as Windows is, and it is it getting worse by the minute, it honestly does just work. I dual boot my computer, mostly into Linux everyday and even now I occasionally come across problems that don't exist on the Windows side. The community need give up with this idea that Linux doesn't have major usability issues.
The fuck are you doing, that you need to mess with the OS?
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It used to be that when i got a new video game for Christmas, i could just put it into the GameCube/PS2 and play it. No need to wait for everyone to also try and download the 40gb update that morning.
Blows into cartridge.
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The fuck are you doing, that you need to mess with the OS?
So Linux is just going to magically appear on your computer is it?
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No waiting for firmware updates
Wait, I just have to reboot my watch
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I don't think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
As bad as Windows is, and it is it getting worse by the minute, it honestly does just work. I dual boot my computer, mostly into Linux everyday and even now I occasionally come across problems that don't exist on the Windows side. The community need give up with this idea that Linux doesn't have major usability issues.
I don’t think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
The point is that you can, not that you have to. My system is very customized. A few years ago when I had to work with Windows I used it with ConsoleZ (middle click paste!!!11), Kate (KDE4Win) & Dolphin (KDE4Win; explorer didn’t support tabs), that also wasn’t the most stable experience one could wish for. I would’ve used a tiling manager if such a thing would’ve existed, but there are some things you just can’t have on Windows. Everything works fine and stable when you use the standard stuff (for Windows that would be Explorer, MS Office, Outlook, Edge, Visual Studio, etc), but I’d expect the same from stuff like Ubuntu without third-party repos and no manually installed stuff. And even more if you just use GNOME/KDE with their standard software.
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I recently renovated and said fuck no to all the smart home shit. Just the idea of having to troubleshoot the WiFi because my kitchen light won't turn on drives me into a rage.
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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication (a bit ironic when you consider this quote comes from Apple).
Steam is fun and all, minecraft is a great game, but goddamn, i have a 10kbps at home, and network is unstable where i live, why can't i play my fcking
game"licence" which is not even online based, because the network decided to stop??I prefer from far a simple folder with assets and a .exe that i will put on my desktop with a shortcut.
What an application is supposed to be anyways.
Steam has a "Go Offline…" options for pretty much that. Indeed it sucks that you have to do that before you go offline, but it sounds like a good idea with your setup and just switch to online occasionally to update.
Furthermore it depends heavily on the games, not on steam. Some steam games work without the steam client, though for some of those you have to fiddle around or execute different binary.
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I remember when games asked you to register and it was optional... and people joked that they never did because there was no benefit to them whatsoever.
Now it is obligatory. No wonder I prefer retrogaming.
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I'm half on one side, half on the other.
The line I draw is between safety and convenience. On the safety side, I want things to be very manual. I don't want some app or external system managing whether or not the lights stay on, or whatever, on the convenience side, I 1000% want a way to manage things like the lighting from an app.
So anywhere that safety is a concern, like the kitchen, bathroom, a handful of other places.... There's zero "smart" anything. Everywhere else, yeah, I can turn off my lights from an app.
When I'm in my office/living room, where safety isn't really a concern, I don't have to get up to turn on the lights, I can yell at my Google home to do it for me, or use an app. If I want the lights to be some shade of turquoise, I use the app....
In the kitchen, as an example, no such control exists. You have to push the light switch, and you get basic bitch white light. You don't get an option. You want the light off? Take your fingers and do the thing that makes the light switch go click and turn off the lights.
The decision to make anything smart relies on whether or not I'm going to be in danger if the lights go out and there's no way to turn them on again because the Internet is down.
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So Linux is just going to magically appear on your computer is it?
Not to mention all the dependencies for everything, I've gone multiple layers deep trying to install dependencies for the dependencies just to use a single module. Tbf I've mostly used Linux for bioinformatics so perhaps the problem for me is biologists creating software for other biologists and none are truly computer scientists (including myself)
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I'm half on one side, half on the other.
The line I draw is between safety and convenience. On the safety side, I want things to be very manual. I don't want some app or external system managing whether or not the lights stay on, or whatever, on the convenience side, I 1000% want a way to manage things like the lighting from an app.
So anywhere that safety is a concern, like the kitchen, bathroom, a handful of other places.... There's zero "smart" anything. Everywhere else, yeah, I can turn off my lights from an app.
When I'm in my office/living room, where safety isn't really a concern, I don't have to get up to turn on the lights, I can yell at my Google home to do it for me, or use an app. If I want the lights to be some shade of turquoise, I use the app....
In the kitchen, as an example, no such control exists. You have to push the light switch, and you get basic bitch white light. You don't get an option. You want the light off? Take your fingers and do the thing that makes the light switch go click and turn off the lights.
The decision to make anything smart relies on whether or not I'm going to be in danger if the lights go out and there's no way to turn them on again because the Internet is down.
I agree completely. But now I can't get the image out of my head, of the maniac that has done the complete opposite of this. Like putting the sink disposal unit, door locks, and flush toilets, all on a publicly accessible "smart" network.
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I don't think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
As bad as Windows is, and it is it getting worse by the minute, it honestly does just work. I dual boot my computer, mostly into Linux everyday and even now I occasionally come across problems that don't exist on the Windows side. The community need give up with this idea that Linux doesn't have major usability issues.
I may be in the minority here, but I absolutely know how to rock every corner of a modern Linux setup and I avoid OS-tinkering at home like the plague. I have better things to spend my time on, so the bar for user-friendly computerized things in my home is incredibly high. In fact, to circle back to OP's point, such things have to "just work", be secure by default, and require minimal hacking and tinkering to function reliably.
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I'm half on one side, half on the other.
The line I draw is between safety and convenience. On the safety side, I want things to be very manual. I don't want some app or external system managing whether or not the lights stay on, or whatever, on the convenience side, I 1000% want a way to manage things like the lighting from an app.
So anywhere that safety is a concern, like the kitchen, bathroom, a handful of other places.... There's zero "smart" anything. Everywhere else, yeah, I can turn off my lights from an app.
When I'm in my office/living room, where safety isn't really a concern, I don't have to get up to turn on the lights, I can yell at my Google home to do it for me, or use an app. If I want the lights to be some shade of turquoise, I use the app....
In the kitchen, as an example, no such control exists. You have to push the light switch, and you get basic bitch white light. You don't get an option. You want the light off? Take your fingers and do the thing that makes the light switch go click and turn off the lights.
The decision to make anything smart relies on whether or not I'm going to be in danger if the lights go out and there's no way to turn them on again because the Internet is down.
I want quality buttons and knobs that let me control all necessary functions manually from the device. Smart features are for convenience and tracking stats. Never should the device talk to any party but me.
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I totally agree! I'm trying to avoid logins and download this and that, as possible as I can.
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You don't need a network connection for Minecraft single player. I'm not actually sure what they're on about.
On Java edition at least, it wants you to be signed in with a Microsoft account. I haven't dug too far into it, but I know our custom launchers break without a network connection. Once launched they work fine.
Had many a car trip trying to get the kids' Minecraft session restarted off of a gas station's WiFi connection...
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Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication (a bit ironic when you consider this quote comes from Apple).
Steam is fun and all, minecraft is a great game, but goddamn, i have a 10kbps at home, and network is unstable where i live, why can't i play my fcking
game"licence" which is not even online based, because the network decided to stop??I prefer from far a simple folder with assets and a .exe that i will put on my desktop with a shortcut.
What an application is supposed to be anyways.
Steam works fine for me offline, though I can't speak to all the games - what are you running into with it?
I hear you on Minecraft, though...
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I don't think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
As bad as Windows is, and it is it getting worse by the minute, it honestly does just work. I dual boot my computer, mostly into Linux everyday and even now I occasionally come across problems that don't exist on the Windows side. The community need give up with this idea that Linux doesn't have major usability issues.
I am not a power user, but I'm ok. I got sick of Windows BS, so when I got my Framework 13, I installed PopOS. I haven't had to do anything to get things to work. It's been fantastic.
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I'm half on one side, half on the other.
The line I draw is between safety and convenience. On the safety side, I want things to be very manual. I don't want some app or external system managing whether or not the lights stay on, or whatever, on the convenience side, I 1000% want a way to manage things like the lighting from an app.
So anywhere that safety is a concern, like the kitchen, bathroom, a handful of other places.... There's zero "smart" anything. Everywhere else, yeah, I can turn off my lights from an app.
When I'm in my office/living room, where safety isn't really a concern, I don't have to get up to turn on the lights, I can yell at my Google home to do it for me, or use an app. If I want the lights to be some shade of turquoise, I use the app....
In the kitchen, as an example, no such control exists. You have to push the light switch, and you get basic bitch white light. You don't get an option. You want the light off? Take your fingers and do the thing that makes the light switch go click and turn off the lights.
The decision to make anything smart relies on whether or not I'm going to be in danger if the lights go out and there's no way to turn them on again because the Internet is down.
I want everything as dumb as possible. I will register whatever I buy with the manufacturer for warranty purposes, but other than that: dumb toaster, dumb fridge, dumb washing machine, dumb robot vacuum cleaner, dumb doorbell, dumb locks, etc...
If it doesn't need internet to function, it's not getting any.
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My poor tv is like, "connect to the internet? I need to call home! Help, i've been abducted by a luddite!"
Tv, you are never getting my wifi password.
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I don't think Linux people entirely understand just how uninviting the prospect of messing around with an operating system is for the vast majority of the public.
As bad as Windows is, and it is it getting worse by the minute, it honestly does just work. I dual boot my computer, mostly into Linux everyday and even now I occasionally come across problems that don't exist on the Windows side. The community need give up with this idea that Linux doesn't have major usability issues.
My experience is pretty limited and I might just be lucky in that everything worked for me, but installing linux was exactly as hard as installing windows. If anything, I found it less annoying because with Windows I tend to decline a lot of their services (no cloud, no office, etc) and I profoundly resent being nagged by MS to use services that don't interest me.
If I bought my laptop with linux preinstalled, I wouldn't say that it has been less usable than a windows machine. there is some missing support, but I had similar issues with switching from mac to windows and back.
