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What is the best Power Outlet, and why?

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    Because it's a hot mess trying to accept both type F and type L. The traditional type L socket has three pins inline. The pin spacing between Live and Neutral for an earthed device using type L is wider than using type F, so plugging in a Schuko won't work in normal type L sockets. However, some type L sockets have extra, smaller holes at Europlug spacing, to accept ungrounded type C plugs.

    The picture here shows two Type L sockets with Europlug expansions on the sides (C/L combo), and an F/L combo in the middle.

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    Now really imagine what would happen if Americans tried to switch to metric.

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      They're all functional, but the UK's Type G plug is the best of all plugs out there IMHO. I'm a Yankee and our plugs are fine, but the shutter design and built in fused plugs of the Type G are just.......chef's kiss.

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      Sorry but the EU plug is superior in my opinion.
      We can at least have slim and full size AC-plugs and not have a behemoth of a plug just to charge a phone.

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      • I [email protected]

        Even tho I live where type F/C is common, I know that type G is the best. Reason is that ground pin always connects first and disconnects last. This is an ultimate way to make ground pin.

        Also, type F/C and some other types sometimes doesn't have ground. There is literally not a single type G plug/socket without a ground. Simply safer.

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        Yeah but the plug is FUCKING HUGE.

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        • I [email protected]

          Even tho I live where type F/C is common, I know that type G is the best. Reason is that ground pin always connects first and disconnects last. This is an ultimate way to make ground pin.

          Also, type F/C and some other types sometimes doesn't have ground. There is literally not a single type G plug/socket without a ground. Simply safer.

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          I've seen type G plugs which have a plastic pin for the earth connection

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          • C [email protected]

            Nah, they're too power limited. What you really want will require a 3 phase hookup to the bedroom.

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            Just be careful, three phase hookups = potential hurt feelings and messy drama.

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            • B [email protected]

              Type G. For safety.

              G

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              • tgirlschierke@lemmy.blahaj.zoneT [email protected]

                fuck's happenin in italy

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                The pictured one is an universal socket that can accept any plug sold in the eu, because if you go to buy any fridge or oven or washer it comes with the German plug

                Otherwise, any other plug (phone chargers, lamps, laptops) comes with the standard which is this:

                It doesn't fit in a German plug as the diameter of the holes and the spacing is slightly different, hence the weirdly shaped wholes

                It has both prongs insulated so you don't get accidentally electrocuted if your finger accidentally touch one during unplugging (especially toddlers)

                In my house I exclusively got pure L sockets without the double holes and I wanted to kill the sadist electrician who decided to install them everywhere. (It's a money issue, universal socket by regulations need 2.5 mm² section copper wires, while the 10A L socket can use cheaper 1.5 mm² section copper wires - but still, how much he saved, 50€ in total? Asshole, I had to spend 3x that to replace all the sockets)

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                • I [email protected]

                  Even tho I live where type F/C is common, I know that type G is the best. Reason is that ground pin always connects first and disconnects last. This is an ultimate way to make ground pin.

                  Also, type F/C and some other types sometimes doesn't have ground. There is literally not a single type G plug/socket without a ground. Simply safer.

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                  Afaik ground connection is made first on schuko connector too and I've seen plastic prongs on UK plugs for ground (even though I live in europe and have only 3 of them, one is still fake ground) yet I've never seen a plastic grounded schuko. That UK bitch is safe but I'm not sold yet on whether it is the best of the best.

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                    A useful source:
                    https://worldofsockets.com

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                    F, C, E, K..... Are they all directly compatible?

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                      F, C, E, K..... Are they all directly compatible?

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                      They are, but they do have slight differences. For instance, the type E plug is often used in Belgium and France, it has a ground pin just below center. It basically means that you cannot turn the plug upside down, similar to the plug used in the US, which can be very annoying when you are used to plugs F and C, these are grounded in the bezel, allowing the user to plug upside down.

                      Type E always bugs me when I visit Belgium or France and I do that often. It's like the original USB plug, you always plug it in wrong on first try.

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                        This is

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                        That doesn't ground a lot of plugs

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                        • I [email protected]

                          Even tho I live where type F/C is common, I know that type G is the best. Reason is that ground pin always connects first and disconnects last. This is an ultimate way to make ground pin.

                          Also, type F/C and some other types sometimes doesn't have ground. There is literally not a single type G plug/socket without a ground. Simply safer.

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                          Type G can also be ungrounded (the grounding pin is just plastic)

                          And type F (and E and K) are also made so that ground is always connected first and disconnected last (when they are grounded).

                          What makes G somewhat better (and why the ungrounded plugs has the plastic pin) is that the holes for the living room live wire are closed by a shutter that can only be removed by a lever in the ground hole.

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                          • P [email protected]

                            Wrong, it's fused because in the UK they have 32A 240V circuits, a fuse is important when dealing with that much current. In Australia we only have 16A 240V circuits as standard so there is no need for a fuse.

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                            They have fuses because of their ring circuits from after WW2. You're the one who's wrong.

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                              F, C, E, K..... Are they all directly compatible?

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                              Are H and J compatible?

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                              • E [email protected]

                                A useful source:
                                https://worldofsockets.com

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                                Tom Scott already answered this

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEfP1OKKz_Q

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                                  A useful source:
                                  https://worldofsockets.com

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                                  Schuko (Type F) of course. The British plug (Type G) is a truly worthy adversary.

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                                  • E [email protected]

                                    A useful source:
                                    https://worldofsockets.com

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                                    Everything else falls out with a light breeze, G is the way forward.

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                                    • E [email protected]

                                      That doesn't ground a lot of plugs

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                                      Not supporting the French was an intentional design decision.

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                                      • redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.comR [email protected]

                                        Some images of the plugs, since I didn't know what they looked like.

                                        It was mentioned the pins started being insulated like that second image 20 years ago, but going by the images I found the older uninsulated style is still more common. This is ofc a major shock hazard when plugging in your stuff.

                                        Even with the insulation, you can still reach under the half inserted plug, just less easily and maybe only if you have smaller hands (like children).

                                        Fundamentally flat sockets are doomed to be shock hazards, compare it to the recessed sockets where the entire surface the contacts insert into is cut off from reach before the pin insertion starts, and on top of that the pins of say type F have been insulated for so long many don't know there were uninsulated variants.

                                        Another bonus of the recessed style is the plug doesn't stick as far out of your walls. For extension cords it's probably a bit bulkier, but when you sink the recession into the wallbox of the outlet you can get as flush as the width of the cable with an angled plug.

                                        Also pretty sure you can step on angled type I plugs resting on their backs. The recessed plugs usually have grips on top so can't rest on their back even when angled. Their pins are also ball-shaped on the end, type I looks quite angular and more painful.

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                                        Ironically, those are upside down.

                                        Which usually indicates Chinese Type I - they don't insulate pins but do put earth on top.

                                        We insulate pins but live/neutral is on top.

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                                        • etherwhack@lemmy.worldE [email protected]

                                          The safest ones (design-wise) would be the ones that are inset, like types C, E, F, H, J, and K. If there is ever a chance a plug is partially pulled out or not fully inserted, the socket being inset wouldn't allow anything to touch any of the contacts.

                                          Fuses in plugs and the orientation are relatively irrelevant to the plug style and are more a convention choice, if not regulatory requirement.

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                                          Type I (in Australia, at least) plugs are partially insulated with in order to prevent that from being an issue.

                                          We are the descendants of the UK after all, our nanny-state is almost as strong as the motherland’s!

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