I mean… that’s not true though.
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People indifferent to pedophilia are concerned with the subtle differences between teenagers and very-young children—a distinction the law does not make because in the context of a 40-year-old predator it is irrelevant? What are you talking about?
If they say the child victims are partially to blame, you know, uh... rocks.
I called out them for the bullshit term, "underage women", they they used.
Are any of them here? This discussion is only about strategy, and I'm telling you, this is not a direction worth going in.
Nobody likes tone policing. People do like big lawn chair moments: that is, when wrestler A gets tossed a lawn chair from the audience and uses it to beat wrestler B to the ground. Then they do like a big "hoorah" or something.
Cool, been out there throwing a lot a rocks and lawn chairs? Talking awful big game. Let's see the action then. Put up or shut up, as they say.
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Cool, been out there throwing a lot a rocks and lawn chairs? Talking awful big game. Let's see the action then. Put up or shut up, as they say.
C'mon. I'm not trying to make enemies of you.
What I'm saying is that you are diluting the emotional strength of the message under the pretense that a message too emotionally strong will be too much for some people to hear—which is ridiculous.
You said the message should carry emotional weight, didn't you? If our opponents are against emotional manipulation, how can you guarantee 'teenagers' isn't still too powerful for them? At what point do you cut them off as enablers of the wrong moral position?
By trying to play the semantics game early, before they've even said anything, you're already ceding the argument that these semantics even matter. You can just skip the game entirely. If they try to play it with you, don't.
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I mean… that’s not true though. I wouldn’t call someone older than 12 or at most 14 a child; after that they’re teenagers.
minor would be more appropiate, s
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We should be horrified at rape period, no matter the age of the person it happens to.
Child rape happens even when the child consents because morally the child cannot consent. They are a special case for a reason. Their age is not irrelevant.
is just a cover to push these restrictive laws on us
Uh, what restrictive laws are you concerned about, hm? Is there something specific you're concerned about not being allowed to do?
I mean steam just had a bunch of games delisted because of draconian porn rules (save the children!)
UK passed an insanely invasive adult content ID law
All of this 'save the children' stuff starts with arguments like this. Erode nuance, make the attack on children seem bigger and more menacing. Erase the difference between teens and children, so everything is treated as if it was done to a five year old.
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I mean steam just had a bunch of games delisted because of draconian porn rules (save the children!)
UK passed an insanely invasive adult content ID law
All of this 'save the children' stuff starts with arguments like this. Erode nuance, make the attack on children seem bigger and more menacing. Erase the difference between teens and children, so everything is treated as if it was done to a five year old.
Are you under the impression that anti-porn advocates are just confused about the differences between being 9 and 16 years old?
Like, if you corrected them, they would say, "Oh, that's fine then. Porn is all right."
Do you think that explaining the difference between pedophiles and ephebophiles to the Paypal board of directors will convince them to stop pressuring Steam to delist porn games?
How does this conversation work in your mind?
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I personally think the loss of nuance is kind of scary. There are massive, continuous attacks on our freedoms in the name of 'protect the children'.
It's inaccurate language like this that's used to justify those changes.
People are acting like this is supposedly undermining the horror of rape, but that's like saying we only care about rape if it's happens to a 9 year old. We should be horrified at rape period, no matter the age of the person it happens to.
Treating teenagers and young adults like they're children isn't helping anything and is just a cover to push these restrictive laws on us, much like how the pro-life arguments are done in bad faith and just used to further their pro-birth ideals.
there is a massive gulf between putting trump and the other wealthy behind bars for trafficking kids that are 15 year olds and attacking freedoms in the name of ‘protecting the children’
it’s really not hard to navigate the difference
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I mean… that’s not true though. I wouldn’t call someone older than 12 or at most 14 a child; after that they’re teenagers.
Young adult is also a thing.
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Autism in a nutshell
Edit: Although actually not quite. I think you're weakening your case when you just make false statements like that. And especially with something that gruesome and awful, you shouldn't do that. You can just… use correct semantics and have a stronger point.
Using autism as an insult? Where the fuck did all these fucking idiots come from all of a sudden? Not long ago, civil discussions were the norm here on Lemmy. Piss off with your 60's mentality.
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Well, yeah, me too. I'm 54 and 30-somethings are starting to look like kids, not attractive to me, not in a sense I'd want to be close to one.
OTOH, I was on my third partner at 17, and she was too. Lost my virginity to a 14-yo, who initiated the thing and rode her bike across town to hook up.
My 17-gf and I weren't happy with the whole sex thing until we hooked up. Cue 4-years of fucking like rabbits, nothing off the table.
So I have a hard time calling the 15-17 crowd "children". I feel it demeans them, infantilizes them.
I can almost almost see what you mean but I don't see how litigating specific wordings for sexually-explorative children helps anything. How does pushing for "teen" help in any regard beyond "feeling better"? As I understand it, all you're saying is "don't call them children because it sounds weird when I think about 'children' and 'having sex'," which....yeah, good! That's a normal reaction and it'd be weirder if you didn't.
Leave the kids to explore their own sexuality, safely and with their age-mates, without trying to convert them into "teens": some nebulous border-age where it's comfortable and "normal" for adults to think about them as sexual beings and, more often than not, sexualize them.
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Using autism as an insult? Where the fuck did all these fucking idiots come from all of a sudden? Not long ago, civil discussions were the norm here on Lemmy. Piss off with your 60's mentality.
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