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  • B [email protected]

    Super happy with Bazzite as a gaming PC. I think only a power user might find the "immutableness" of it annoying. You can still install OS packages, it's just highly discouraged. 90% of the time you'd just be running Flatpaks (a mostly self-contained app that is easy to install and remove). I'm using it with an old-ish NVIDIA card and at first it was troublesome but I think it worked itself out after a few updates. AMD has better compatibility from what I understand.

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    The difference between NVIDIA and AMD/Intel is that Linux has a different way of handling drivers compared to windows (all drivers are part of the Kernel). AMD/Intel respect this. NVIDIA develop there drivers like on windows even though Linux is not designed this way. Also sometimes a new standard is made (eg Wayland) but NVIDIA has little to no support for a long time. Additionally there drivers are proprietary which limits how distros can/want to ship them.

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    • asap@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

      Try Bazzite:

      https://bazzite.gg/

      It will give you an experience that's familiar compared to the Steam Deck, and everything will "just work" out of the box.

      It already has Steam installed and is a great desktop for general use.

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      Bazzite is probably the best recommendation out of everything I've seen so far. It is meant to be like the Steam Deck experience on any machine, and if OP is already familiar with that, why not transition easily?

      Couple the familiarity along with Bazzite being an immutable distro, OP can just roll back if they break something.

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      • fanmion@discuss.tchncs.deF [email protected]

        If you have time to learn how your distro works: Archlinux. If you just want to easily install a distro and everything just works: Linux Mint.

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        If you want to really learn Linux, then absolutely Arch is the way to go. But OP is looking for something polished out of the box and probably doesn't want to know much more than that. Some people just want a box that does the thing - and that's totally fine.

        I say all of this as a diehard Arch user (BTW)

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          So all I know that the Linux mascot is a penguin and Arch users meme about using Arch. Jokes aside I’m planning on making to the jump to Linux as I’m planning on getting a tower PC. I recently got a steam deck and that kinda demystified the (unrealistic) expectation I had of Linux was all command line stuff and techno babble. This all very future oriented questions* as I haven’t even picked out hardware (probably gonna go prebuilt since I do not trust me) and there’s also the matter of saving up the money for a new PC.

          As for my use case (cus I know some software is wonky on Linux compared to windows) it’s mostly between games running on steam, which most of my games play fine on the steam deck, and essays and note taking for my college classes, which I use libre office and obsidian (with excalidraw to hand write my notes) saved to my proton drive and also sync those documents between my surface laptop and home laptop

          My ideal OS would be plug it in, let it do… things… and it’s ready to be a PC to install steam and stuff

          But first question, as someone who isn’t tech inclined and tinkering is pretty much just a few VERY basic settings in the settings app on windows, so is there a Linux… idk what to call it, type? OS? Thing??? that runs out of the box without me having to install additional software manually or at least automatic setup wizards because like hardware, I do not trust me with setting it up. As for installing it after I wipe whatever computer I choose I assume I’m gonna have some OS installer on a USB and let it work its magic.

          Second question, is there any specific hardware that works easier with Linux, I can’t really think of any examples cus with installers and updaters I just the computer handle it, like updating Nvidia stuff in the GeForce app for all I know it’s genuinely performing dark magic during the automated updates

          Anyways I probably have way more questions that I have no idea I had, but to wrap up I’m not super tech inclined since I let automated stuff do its thang on windows (if the computer can manage and install it I’m gonna let it do that) and my pc mostly just plays games and do documents on libre office and obsidian

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          I personally started out with Debian given that a vast majority of distributions are Debian based, typically paired with KDE Plasma 5, and learned from there.

          Now Debian is really stable but does require command-line configuration quite often so it may feel complicated but if you’re capable of reading & following documentation then you should be all good.

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          • F [email protected]

            So all I know that the Linux mascot is a penguin and Arch users meme about using Arch. Jokes aside I’m planning on making to the jump to Linux as I’m planning on getting a tower PC. I recently got a steam deck and that kinda demystified the (unrealistic) expectation I had of Linux was all command line stuff and techno babble. This all very future oriented questions* as I haven’t even picked out hardware (probably gonna go prebuilt since I do not trust me) and there’s also the matter of saving up the money for a new PC.

            As for my use case (cus I know some software is wonky on Linux compared to windows) it’s mostly between games running on steam, which most of my games play fine on the steam deck, and essays and note taking for my college classes, which I use libre office and obsidian (with excalidraw to hand write my notes) saved to my proton drive and also sync those documents between my surface laptop and home laptop

            My ideal OS would be plug it in, let it do… things… and it’s ready to be a PC to install steam and stuff

            But first question, as someone who isn’t tech inclined and tinkering is pretty much just a few VERY basic settings in the settings app on windows, so is there a Linux… idk what to call it, type? OS? Thing??? that runs out of the box without me having to install additional software manually or at least automatic setup wizards because like hardware, I do not trust me with setting it up. As for installing it after I wipe whatever computer I choose I assume I’m gonna have some OS installer on a USB and let it work its magic.

            Second question, is there any specific hardware that works easier with Linux, I can’t really think of any examples cus with installers and updaters I just the computer handle it, like updating Nvidia stuff in the GeForce app for all I know it’s genuinely performing dark magic during the automated updates

            Anyways I probably have way more questions that I have no idea I had, but to wrap up I’m not super tech inclined since I let automated stuff do its thang on windows (if the computer can manage and install it I’m gonna let it do that) and my pc mostly just plays games and do documents on libre office and obsidian

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            I recently got a steam deck and that kinda demystified the (unrealistic) expectation I had of Linux was all command line stuff and techno babble.

            Outside of gaming, browsing and flatpaks it still very much is. People here will lie and tell you it's not. It is. But as long it's just Steam gaming, it's very simple.

            so is there a Linux… idk what to call it, type? OS? Thing??? that runs out of the box without me having to install additional software manually or at least automatic setup wizards

            Not really sure what you're asking here but I think it's a "package manager". Basically an app store for Linux. Discover store in KDE or "software" in GNOME. Open it, search for your software, click the "install" button and be done.

            Outside of the package manager, installations become complex quickly.

            is there any specific hardware that works easier with Linux

            Yes, generally new hardware won't work as well. Linux drivers are a second class citizen. Also you'll likely experience lower performance and extra difficulties with Nvidia vs. Windows.

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            • 332@feddit.nu3 [email protected]

              Distro - System level stuff. A "type" of linux. Mint, Fedora, Arch, Ubuntu etc.

              DE (Desktop environment) - Surface level stuff, i.e. how it looks, behaves, and often what default apps you use for basic stuff like text editing. Gnome, KDE, etc.

              Distros have a default DE but often provide different versions using others for people who prefer them.

              You likely won't need to interact with any of that other stuff except flatpaks. Just think of it as a form of distributing and running software.

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              Ah so it’s just how the software works essentially

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              • meldrik@lemmy.wtfM [email protected]

                Some distro's still require you to setup those things yourself and in the terminal.

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                So bazzite and mint seem to be recurring themes here for my needs of something that works out of the box, do those need any set up or stuff? I don’t really know exactly what I’m asking here 😕

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                • funkajunk@lemm.eeF [email protected]

                  Bazzite is probably the best recommendation out of everything I've seen so far. It is meant to be like the Steam Deck experience on any machine, and if OP is already familiar with that, why not transition easily?

                  Couple the familiarity along with Bazzite being an immutable distro, OP can just roll back if they break something.

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                  So what does immutable mean?

                  But I’ve seen it’s similar to the decks desktop mode from some other comments as well so that seems nice

                  I haven’t really interacted with desktop mode outside setting up emudeck (mostly DS and switch games)

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                    is there a Linux… idk what to call it, type? OS? Thing??? that runs out of the box without me having to install additional software manually or at least automatic setup wizards

                    The word you are looking for is called a distribution, or distro for short.

                    I'm surprised no one else has mentioned Bazzite, which should be exactly what you're looking for.

                    is there any specific hardware that works easier with Linux

                    An AMD GPU for sure. Nvidia drivers have come a long way, but they don't generally behave as well out of the box like AMD.

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                    Yeah bazzite seems like a recurring topic here so I think I’ll check it out first since others have all said it’s similar to the steam decks setup (which has been limited to me installing emudeck but seeing familiar stuff might help me

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                    • asap@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                      Try Bazzite:

                      https://bazzite.gg/

                      It will give you an experience that's familiar compared to the Steam Deck, and everything will "just work" out of the box.

                      It already has Steam installed and is a great desktop for general use.

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                      Cool I've never seen this.

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                      • F [email protected]

                        So what does immutable mean?

                        But I’ve seen it’s similar to the decks desktop mode from some other comments as well so that seems nice

                        I haven’t really interacted with desktop mode outside setting up emudeck (mostly DS and switch games)

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                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0f_vyV06k

                        This video explains it well

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                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX0f_vyV06k

                          This video explains it well

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                          While it could be functional as a cursory watch, it doesn't seem that Michael Horn has done a good job investigating the subject matter. So, no, I actually disagree with it offering a good explanation. Granted, I couldn't find any video that does this subject any justice; more often than not, they just tend to overgeneralize or oversimplify.

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                            So bazzite and mint seem to be recurring themes here for my needs of something that works out of the box, do those need any set up or stuff? I don’t really know exactly what I’m asking here 😕

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                            On Mint, flatpaks is enabled in the Mint software center.

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                            • F [email protected]

                              So what does immutable mean?

                              But I’ve seen it’s similar to the decks desktop mode from some other comments as well so that seems nice

                              I haven’t really interacted with desktop mode outside setting up emudeck (mostly DS and switch games)

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                              So what does immutable mean?

                              The easiest explanation is: You can't screw it up 🙂

                              That's the reason I use it. It means that the system areas are read-only, and as a user you can't "wreck" anything by mistake.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                So all I know that the Linux mascot is a penguin and Arch users meme about using Arch. Jokes aside I’m planning on making to the jump to Linux as I’m planning on getting a tower PC. I recently got a steam deck and that kinda demystified the (unrealistic) expectation I had of Linux was all command line stuff and techno babble. This all very future oriented questions* as I haven’t even picked out hardware (probably gonna go prebuilt since I do not trust me) and there’s also the matter of saving up the money for a new PC.

                                As for my use case (cus I know some software is wonky on Linux compared to windows) it’s mostly between games running on steam, which most of my games play fine on the steam deck, and essays and note taking for my college classes, which I use libre office and obsidian (with excalidraw to hand write my notes) saved to my proton drive and also sync those documents between my surface laptop and home laptop

                                My ideal OS would be plug it in, let it do… things… and it’s ready to be a PC to install steam and stuff

                                But first question, as someone who isn’t tech inclined and tinkering is pretty much just a few VERY basic settings in the settings app on windows, so is there a Linux… idk what to call it, type? OS? Thing??? that runs out of the box without me having to install additional software manually or at least automatic setup wizards because like hardware, I do not trust me with setting it up. As for installing it after I wipe whatever computer I choose I assume I’m gonna have some OS installer on a USB and let it work its magic.

                                Second question, is there any specific hardware that works easier with Linux, I can’t really think of any examples cus with installers and updaters I just the computer handle it, like updating Nvidia stuff in the GeForce app for all I know it’s genuinely performing dark magic during the automated updates

                                Anyways I probably have way more questions that I have no idea I had, but to wrap up I’m not super tech inclined since I let automated stuff do its thang on windows (if the computer can manage and install it I’m gonna let it do that) and my pc mostly just plays games and do documents on libre office and obsidian

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                                Linux mint is a common recommendation but I think a bad one, I highly recommend bazzite with kde, I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to do infinite troubleshooting if you add me on matrix (which is on my profile)

                                in short, linux mint is bad vs bazzite with kde for 3 reasons

                                kde is much more well supported and developed than cinnamon

                                immutable distros are much more forgiving for new people

                                and finally bazzite has more up to date software

                                don't do mint if you don't know what any of that means, go bazzite

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                                  While it could be functional as a cursory watch, it doesn't seem that Michael Horn has done a good job investigating the subject matter. So, no, I actually disagree with it offering a good explanation. Granted, I couldn't find any video that does this subject any justice; more often than not, they just tend to overgeneralize or oversimplify.

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                                  I was just going for a very high level explanation.
                                  If you feel like offering a more in depth definition, feel free to do so here.

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                                  • fanmion@discuss.tchncs.deF [email protected]

                                    There are also "easy" Arch like endeavour or cachy, but yeah, for users like him is Arch based not the best choice

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                                    But the required config changes can affect those as well.

                                    Like last week I had to change repositories in pacman.conf. It also affected endeavour, as it doesn't have separate repos: https://archlinux.org/news/cleaning-up-old-repositories/

                                    This mkinitcpio config change should have effected all Arch based distros: https://archlinux.org/news/mkinitcpio-hook-migration-and-early-microcode/

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                                    • F [email protected]

                                      So what does immutable mean?

                                      But I’ve seen it’s similar to the decks desktop mode from some other comments as well so that seems nice

                                      I haven’t really interacted with desktop mode outside setting up emudeck (mostly DS and switch games)

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                                      what does immutable mean?

                                      Strictly speaking, 'immutable' means unchanging. For Linux distros, this means that (at least some part of) the OS is read-only.

                                      On any distro, you could invoke the chattr +i path/to/file_or_directory command to make a file or directory of your choosing immutable. Thus preventing you or anyone else from changing that until it's revoked.

                                      The so-called 'immutable' distros employ this at the OS-level. However, their implementations (and the implications thereof) may vary significantly amongst them, unless they share some 'heritage'.

                                      Going over the many different implementations and their implications is out of scope for what this comment intends. Especially as the 'immutable Linux landscape' is fast moving. Thus, potentially making it outdated the very next landscape-defining change.

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                                      • funkajunk@lemm.eeF [email protected]

                                        I was just going for a very high level explanation.
                                        If you feel like offering a more in depth definition, feel free to do so here.

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                                        I was intending to, but it got very unwieldy real fast. I did provide some very basic pointers, but nothing earth-shattering. I suppose this is a decent read with the acknowledgement that the author has primarily read up on Fedora Atomic (and not the other 'immutable distros). Which ain't bad for our use as Bazzite is derived from Fedora Atomic anyways.

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                                        • C [email protected]

                                          I also recommend Linux Mint. It's been hands down the best experience of all the Linux distros I've tried.

                                          The installation is done with a USB stick. In short, you download the Linux iso image and create a bootable USB stick with a software. In Windows I have always used Rufus for that.

                                          The Linux installer gives you a choise to wipe everything and install Linux. Installing Mint has always been very straight forward.

                                          I can't comment on hardware since I've only used Linux on +5 year old laptops. They seem to work fine.

                                          There most likely will be many new things that can feel confusing in the beginning, but I'm sure you'll get the hang of it. There also are tons of good tutorials of everything.

                                          Best of luck to your Linux project!

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                                          Oh nice, so I just boot windows as normal then “run” the installer from a usb. As for whatever an iso image that makes no sense to me is that just the “program” that the installer is?

                                          A lot of people have recommended bazzite so i might try that first but mint definitely sounds like a good “I have no idea what I’m doing just start working distro”

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