Cloudflare announces AI Labyrinth, which uses AI-generated content to confuse and waste the resources of AI Crawlers and bots that ignore “no crawl” directives.
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this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hugging the bandwidth.
It's what I've been saying about technology for the past decade or two .... we've hit an upper limit to our technological development ... that limit is on individual human greed where small groups of people or massively wealthy people hinder or delay any further development because they're always trying to find ways to make money off it, prevent others from making money off it, monopolize an area or section of society .... capitalism is literally our world's bottleneck and it's being choked off by an oddly shaped gold bar at this point.
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That's not really relevant here. This is more of a "genie is out of the bottle and now we have to learn how to deal with it situation". The idea and technology of bots and AI training already exists. There's no socioeconomic system that is going to magically make that go away.
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The problem I see with poisoning the data is the AI's being trained for law enforcement hallucinating false facts used to arrest and convict people.
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Lost on Lemmy?
He is not wrong. Unless people start to take steps , the dependency of tech will be used to chain most of us. Granted, these chains will be the kindest and gentlest chains seen in a long time.
Social revolution lives on in decentralized services, like this; the true battles will be later though. This year is a mild warm up. I can’t imagine the challenges that await many
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I am not happy with how much internet relies on cloudflare. However, they have a strong set of products
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I assume a crawler which adheres to robots.txt
I would love to think so. But the word "verified" suggests more.
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So we're burning fossil fuels and destroying the planet so bots can try to deceive one another on the Internet in pursuit of our personal data. I feel like dystopian cyberpunk predictions didn't fully understand how fucking stupid we are...
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I dunno. I don't find any sympathy with any of these fuckers though. this is not a generally useful technology, it is not something the average person ever needs to see, and honestly, just fuck em. Fuck anyone messing with open source to engorge the garbage dispenser.
Any accessibility service will also see the "hidden links", and while a blind person with a screen reader will notice if they wonder off into generated pages, it will waste their time too.
Also, I don't know about you, but I absolutely have a use for crawling X, Google maps, Reddit, YouTube, and getting information from there without interacting with the service myself.
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The problem I see with poisoning the data is the AI's being trained for law enforcement hallucinating false facts used to arrest and convict people.
Law enforcement AI is a terrible idea and it doesn't matter whether you feed it "false facts" or not. There's enough bias in law enforcement that the data is essentially always poisoned.
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So this showed up last week: https://github.com/raminf/RoboNope-nginx
Similar vibe, minus the AI.
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Be great if these reinforced facts.
Earth us an imperfect sphere.
Humans landed on moon.
Taiwan is an independent nation.
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They should program the actions and reactions of each system to actual battle bots and then televise the event for our entertainment.
Then get bored when it devolves into a wedge meta.
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The problem I see with poisoning the data is the AI's being trained for law enforcement hallucinating false facts used to arrest and convict people.
Law enforcement doesn't convict anyone, that's a judge's job. If a LEO falsely arrests you, you can sue them, and it should be pretty open-and-shut if it's due to AI hallucination. Enough of that and LEO will stop it.
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That's not really relevant here. This is more of a "genie is out of the bottle and now we have to learn how to deal with it situation". The idea and technology of bots and AI training already exists. There's no socioeconomic system that is going to magically make that go away.
I think the point you're missing is that without the monetary incentive that arises under capitalism, there would be very little drive for anyone to build these wasteful AI systems. It's difficult to imagine a group of people voluntarily amassing and then using the resources necessary for "AI" absent the desire to cash in on their investment. So you're correct that an alternative economic system won't "magically" make LLMs go away. I think it unlikely, however, that such wasteful nonsense would be used on any meaningful scale absent the perverse incentives of capitalism.
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this is some fucking stupid situation, we somewhat got a faster internet and these bots messing each other are hugging the bandwidth.
Especially since the solution I cooked up for my site was to identify the incoming requests from these damn bots -- which is not difficult, since they ignore all directives and sanity and try to slam your site with like 200+ requests per second, that makes 'em easy to spot -- and simply IP ban them.
In fact, anybody who doesn't exhibit a sane crawl rate gets blocked from my site automatically. For a while, most of them were coming from Russian IP address zones for some reason. These days Amazon is the worst offender, I guess their Rufus AI or whatever the fuck it is tries to pester other retail sites to "learn" about products rather than sticking to its own domain.
Fuck 'em. Route those motherfuckers right to /dev/null.
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DNA Lounge has something similar - I think they even mentioned infinite JavaScript loops, and images that expand like zip-bombs.
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So the world is now wasting energy and resources to generate AI content in order to combat AI crawlers, by making them waste more energy and resources. Great!
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So they rewrote Nepenthes (or Iocaine,
Spigot, Django-llm-poison, Quixotic, Konterfai, Caddy-defender, plus inevitably some Rust versions)It's the consequences of the MIT and Apache licenses showing up in real time.
GPL your software, people!
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Not exactly how I expected the AI wars to go, but I guess since we're in a cyberpunk world, we take what we get
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Not exactly how I expected the AI wars to go, but I guess since we're in a cyberpunk world, we take what we get
Next step is an AI that detects AI labyrinth.
It gets trained on labyrinths generated by another AI.
So you have an AI generating labyrinths to train an AI to detect labyrinths which are generated by another AI so that your original AI crawler doesn't get lost.
It's gonna be AI all the way down.
