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The US Is Considering a TP-Link Router Ban—Should You Worry?

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    Every single consumer SOHO router is just a data mining security clusterfuck these days, brand is irrelevant. The only way to really get away from it is to run your own SBC or NUC with a wifi card and shit.

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      Every single consumer SOHO router is just a data mining security clusterfuck these days, brand is irrelevant. The only way to really get away from it is to run your own SBC or NUC with a wifi card and shit.

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      OpenWRT?

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        To secure US networks, start by kicking Musk out of government systems.

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        Seriously, DOGE could be literally installing ransomware that kicks off if anyone tries to block them... They were hooking up random fucking servers right into secured government systems and were given write access at some of those government systems.

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          OpenWRT?

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          Key word: consumer. You won’t find a single router on store shelves that the layman is not getting all of their data collected through.

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          • empireoflove2@lemmy.dbzer0.comE [email protected]

            Every single consumer SOHO router is just a data mining security clusterfuck these days, brand is irrelevant. The only way to really get away from it is to run your own SBC or NUC with a wifi card and shit.

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            They make mini PCs with five Ethernet ports that are perfect for this sort of thing.

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              To secure US networks, start by kicking Musk out of government systems.

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              He is like Spyware or just crappy insecure code become manifest in human form.

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                Banning TP-Link routers isn't going to do a damn thing to solve the problem of insecure routers, SOHO or otherwise. Too many people and companies set shit up and then ignore it until it breaks and under these conditions routers are always going to become insecure given a long enough timeline.

                Fire up Shodan and see how many discontinued Cisco ASAs are out there. Hell you can probably still find some Cisco PIX boxes even though they went away nearly twenty years ago! Those aren't people doing that, those are COMPANIES.

                The problem here isn't the brand or even the silicon that brand uses. It's with the utter lack of management (including EoL replacement) by the people using the damn things.

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                  Oh but all the US hardware with spyware from the NSA/FBI is just fiiiiiiiiiine.

                  As always US wants the data, they just don't want anyone else to have it.

                  It's also a laugh for them to say "fuck you consumers you don't get to" when the federal government already fucking blew it with SolarWinds.

                  Personal opinion this is much ado about nothing. In other words this article is baseless fear-mongering.

                  Trump is a bigger national security concern than fucking TP-Link and no one in power is seriously talking about removing him.

                  His economic moves will devalue the US Dollar and put it at risk as a reserve currency. Who is gonna step in? China.

                  But boo hoo, we should ban TP-Link! What a fucking joke. If you're really "worried" about China, get rid of Trump yesterday.

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                  Yeah, it boils down to... who do you want seeing your data?

                  The Chinese? or the Americans?

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                    Dumb policy but still fuck tp link routers. They never took security remotely seriously to the point where their products are known for being a good entry point into learning about exploiting embedded devices.

                    Don't really care or think the government spyware concerns are particularly legitimate but they definitely aren't secure products to have on your network

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                      Please yes, I look forward to cheaper routers due to oversupply.

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                        Yeah, it boils down to... who do you want seeing your data?

                        The Chinese? or the Americans?

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                        On one hand, I wouldn't trust the US with anything. On the other hand, there's a pretty good chance whatever they keep that data on catches on fire or has a plane fall on it.

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                        • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                          Oh but all the US hardware with spyware from the NSA/FBI is just fiiiiiiiiiine.

                          As always US wants the data, they just don't want anyone else to have it.

                          It's also a laugh for them to say "fuck you consumers you don't get to" when the federal government already fucking blew it with SolarWinds.

                          Personal opinion this is much ado about nothing. In other words this article is baseless fear-mongering.

                          Trump is a bigger national security concern than fucking TP-Link and no one in power is seriously talking about removing him.

                          His economic moves will devalue the US Dollar and put it at risk as a reserve currency. Who is gonna step in? China.

                          But boo hoo, we should ban TP-Link! What a fucking joke. If you're really "worried" about China, get rid of Trump yesterday.

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                          TP-Link has a bad history of significant security vulnerabilities that have to either be gross negligence or intentional backdoors. Consumer router firmware is notoriously neglected in the grand scheme of tech, but TP-Link is exceptionally bad. Your average and even most above average techies probably have no idea unless they follow security releases or live in the security world. I personally wouldn't know much if anything about them if not for some YT content I watch about software and security. I don't love blanket blocking of stuff, but this one I feel is necessary to help protect an ignorant population.

                          I 100% agree with the sentiment that Trump is way more dangerous, because he is, but the two issues can be addressed (or not unfortunately) at the same time. If our reps won't stop Trump, and not going to be upset over he small wins that we do get.

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                            I buy a lot of TP-Link switches because they are cheap so please dont

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                              Dumb policy but still fuck tp link routers. They never took security remotely seriously to the point where their products are known for being a good entry point into learning about exploiting embedded devices.

                              Don't really care or think the government spyware concerns are particularly legitimate but they definitely aren't secure products to have on your network

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                              You sure you're not confusing TP-Link with D-Link? The latter has been the common attack surface I'm familiar with, and the former has been a staple for enthusiasts and as a tool for pentesters.

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                                TP-Link has a bad history of significant security vulnerabilities that have to either be gross negligence or intentional backdoors. Consumer router firmware is notoriously neglected in the grand scheme of tech, but TP-Link is exceptionally bad. Your average and even most above average techies probably have no idea unless they follow security releases or live in the security world. I personally wouldn't know much if anything about them if not for some YT content I watch about software and security. I don't love blanket blocking of stuff, but this one I feel is necessary to help protect an ignorant population.

                                I 100% agree with the sentiment that Trump is way more dangerous, because he is, but the two issues can be addressed (or not unfortunately) at the same time. If our reps won't stop Trump, and not going to be upset over he small wins that we do get.

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                                Do you have any links to the alleged bad history? I couldn't find anything, partly because the recent political theatre makes it hard to be informed.

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                                  Do you have any links to the alleged bad history? I couldn't find anything, partly because the recent political theatre makes it hard to be informed.

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                                  Here is the main video I watched that breaks down a recent ish CVE and at the end he gives some thoughts on TP-Link, D-link, and another and just his professional security opinion on them.

                                  It is only one source, but I think it's a strong one.

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                                    Trump is a bigger national security concern than fucking TP-Link and no one in power is seriously talking about removing him.

                                    There is an abstract ironic beauty to this.

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                                    Security concerns usually don't talk about themselves

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                                    • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                      Seriously, DOGE could be literally installing ransomware that kicks off if anyone tries to block them... They were hooking up random fucking servers right into secured government systems and were given write access at some of those government systems.

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                                      "the single greatest insider threat risk the Bureau of the Fiscal Service has ever faced."

                                      https://www.wired.com/story/treasury-bfs-doge-insider-threat/

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                                        Three separate government departments are investigating TP-Link, so someone either tipped the Fed off and you (and the public) know nothing, or this is simply a witch hunt.

                                        Since I know for a fact I can't trust anyone commenting anywhere on the internet as a credible source, I'm hoping those departments who once were independent of the Executive control and free of Trump corruption and are now filled with human excrement yes-men MAGA regarded morons, i will hold my anger until we know more.

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                                        It looks just like the Tik Tok ban to me. Racist/Nationalist nonsense that doesn't solve the actual underlying problem, which is lack of regulation in the US

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                                        • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

                                          Oh but all the US hardware with spyware from the NSA/FBI is just fiiiiiiiiiine.

                                          As always US wants the data, they just don't want anyone else to have it.

                                          It's also a laugh for them to say "fuck you consumers you don't get to" when the federal government already fucking blew it with SolarWinds.

                                          Personal opinion this is much ado about nothing. In other words this article is baseless fear-mongering.

                                          Trump is a bigger national security concern than fucking TP-Link and no one in power is seriously talking about removing him.

                                          His economic moves will devalue the US Dollar and put it at risk as a reserve currency. Who is gonna step in? China.

                                          But boo hoo, we should ban TP-Link! What a fucking joke. If you're really "worried" about China, get rid of Trump yesterday.

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                                          As always US wants the data, they just don’t want anyone else to have it for free

                                          I guarantee you that American data is going to Chinese companies. Temu has your data. Alibaba has your data. Bilibili has your data. They're just getting it by purchasing from American data centers.

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