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  3. I'm all for supporting local markets, but in the grand scheme I find it a bit pointless, when there's absolutely no plan or intention from anyone to deescalate the situation.

I'm all for supporting local markets, but in the grand scheme I find it a bit pointless, when there's absolutely no plan or intention from anyone to deescalate the situation.

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    False equivalency. The war was started pointlessly but to end it once and for all isn't pointless in the least. You conflate the two sides in this, Russia chose it so they can lose for it instead of us.

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    You said I have a flat in Moscow because I don't agree with your opinion. You throw terms like "false equivalency" hoping it sticks. I was talking about peace and you talk about counter invasion, not sure what the point in that is. Russia started the war so let's invade them and show them is not very productive or reasonable. We seem to have diametrically opposed opinions on war in general.

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      You said I have a flat in Moscow because I don't agree with your opinion. You throw terms like "false equivalency" hoping it sticks. I was talking about peace and you talk about counter invasion, not sure what the point in that is. Russia started the war so let's invade them and show them is not very productive or reasonable. We seem to have diametrically opposed opinions on war in general.

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      The point in it is to create a permanent peace. You asked for a solution and I gathered you hadn't heard that one before. I think your opinion on war is similar to Putin and Trump's, in that you talk directly or otherwise in favor of a pyrrhic peace that only empowers the aggressor. The better solution, the solution available to any victim being cornered and no-one else to come help them, is to throw a damn punch, ideally a crippling one.
      There's no moral equivalency between an aggressor keeping their war going and a defender keeping the war going, that's what makes your implications of such an equivalency false. I think you might be a Russian agent, (in spirit at least hence the hyperbolic image of you cowering in some oblast) because you cling to an anachronistic pacifism and stall genuine conversation and preparation for what's to come.

      And it is coming, I think you know that.

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        The point in it is to create a permanent peace. You asked for a solution and I gathered you hadn't heard that one before. I think your opinion on war is similar to Putin and Trump's, in that you talk directly or otherwise in favor of a pyrrhic peace that only empowers the aggressor. The better solution, the solution available to any victim being cornered and no-one else to come help them, is to throw a damn punch, ideally a crippling one.
        There's no moral equivalency between an aggressor keeping their war going and a defender keeping the war going, that's what makes your implications of such an equivalency false. I think you might be a Russian agent, (in spirit at least hence the hyperbolic image of you cowering in some oblast) because you cling to an anachronistic pacifism and stall genuine conversation and preparation for what's to come.

        And it is coming, I think you know that.

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        It's not peace when you have a gun over your head.

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          In the comment you responded to, I said I agree, it's easier to negotiate from a position of power. What's the plan afterwards? Everyone keeps saying that we need power to be able to negotiate, and I keep agreeing, and saying that there is no plan for later, and this is what I am worried about. I'm really interested in an answer for this question, but I just keep getting the same argument, which I'm not even opposed to.

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          It is the ONLY thing that solves it long term. Politics of the larger army have always worked.

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            It's not peace when you have a gun over your head.

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            And yet, you argue for it whether you want to confess to that or not.

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              That’s my hope but that’s assuming there will be demand and Germany can become competitive again. Right now those industries are failing because of expensive energy and that’s not about to change. In fact, it might get worse because Europe is getting LNG from the US now, and they’re not exactly friendly.

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              I thought the energy prices came down significantly since the gas crisis in Germany?

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                I thought the energy prices came down significantly since the gas crisis in Germany?

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                Prices spiked then stabilised but remained ar much higher levels than before. Russian gas was really cheap because of multiple factors and couldn’t be replaced without cost.

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