Damn man.
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Damn man. I was with you until the whole “destroy itself” part. I just pray (lol) that they can be free of it all one of these days.
That all of us can.
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Damn man. I was with you until the whole “destroy itself” part. I just pray (lol) that they can be free of it all one of these days.
That all of us can.
nothing gets better until we purge
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nothing gets better until we purge
Oh, yeah. That’s works every time it’s ever happened. All the people responsible went down in history as amazing and the conflict ended and no one ever brought it up again.
Listen, maybe I think too highly of Lemmy, but you’re probably pretty smart if you’re here.
If we were to take all of the best people and drop them off on Mars tomorrow with all of the necessary equipment to survive and then cut off communication with the intention of going back in 200 years, we’d find a mess when we returned.
We’d find split factions, brand new religions, people fighting over what the folks who came before them did, and plenty more.
The solution is never to purge. That isn’t a permanent solution. It creates martyrs for the next generation. That’s all it does. It strengthens the resolve of the very thing you are fighting.
And then it just goes in a circle.
I’m not personally intelligent enough to begin to comprehend or provide the answers for our species, but I’m at least smart enough to look back at what hasn’t worked already and say, “Maybe let’s not do that again.”
All we’re doing with that kind of crap is kicking a nastier problem on down the road, and if the side you’re fighting wins, it will be your people’s turn to be purged.
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Oh, yeah. That’s works every time it’s ever happened. All the people responsible went down in history as amazing and the conflict ended and no one ever brought it up again.
Listen, maybe I think too highly of Lemmy, but you’re probably pretty smart if you’re here.
If we were to take all of the best people and drop them off on Mars tomorrow with all of the necessary equipment to survive and then cut off communication with the intention of going back in 200 years, we’d find a mess when we returned.
We’d find split factions, brand new religions, people fighting over what the folks who came before them did, and plenty more.
The solution is never to purge. That isn’t a permanent solution. It creates martyrs for the next generation. That’s all it does. It strengthens the resolve of the very thing you are fighting.
And then it just goes in a circle.
I’m not personally intelligent enough to begin to comprehend or provide the answers for our species, but I’m at least smart enough to look back at what hasn’t worked already and say, “Maybe let’s not do that again.”
All we’re doing with that kind of crap is kicking a nastier problem on down the road, and if the side you’re fighting wins, it will be your people’s turn to be purged.
show me a past example of a purge meant to build a better world for all of humanity and not a particular religion or nationality.
show me a point in the past where we had the tools to actually achieve a utopia.
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show me a past example of a purge meant to build a better world for all of humanity and not a particular religion or nationality.
show me a point in the past where we had the tools to actually achieve a utopia.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Bro, gestures wildly at the 20th century.
Do we really want to make humanity as miserable in the 21st? Seriously?
I hate to say it, but humanity isn’t some perfect machine that can be walked blissfully or painfully into a utopia.
We are creatures born from complete and total chaos with brains suited to live in isolated, likeminded communities that have similar physical features. We have spread our religions around the world in an attempt to make it one big likeminded community and it hasn’t worked, and it won’t ever work. We would have to do what Hitler attempted to do and pick one group and keep only them or people would still find a way to devolve into groups and destroy the utopia. I’d be willing to bet they’d do it anyway if every one of them had the exact same face.
People are still out here trying to make one big group of humanity. In the case of the Christian missionary who goes into isolated pockets of the world to spread the “gospel”, and in the case of some random person on the internet who wants to purge people who think wrong (according to them).
There is a chance, in my view, that your utopia could be achieved, but not with humanity as we are. We could edit our species to be more compatible with a world without borders. We’re not going to get there with the violent revolutionaries doing purges.
Ultimately, I hope it isn’t us. I hope we create the perfect being one day that will spread out across the universe and live for thousands of years (or better).
They won’t have to answer moral questions which are answered differently by every person you encounter. They will know for a fact that they were created and then can build and rebuild themselves as they see fit without worrying about whether it’s the right thing to do.
I don’t know. I wish we could sit around, have a cigar, and really discuss this.
I believe with all of my heart that violence won’t work because violence is answered with more violence. Always. Even when someone knows they can’t win, when presented with violence they answer by taking as many of the enemy as they can with them.
Every little group can go full caveman and fight each other and no one will ever win. No one will walk away with any moral superiority. Any Rome that rises will someday fall.
I would ask you to think about this.
When colonists encountered natives, they viewed them as lesser humans and executed them mercilessly. They weren’t bothered by this because they had a vision. They wanted to build their own perfect world. In their world, there was no room for lesser people. You know? Savages.
How can you be sure that you’re any better?
These are thinking, feeling, living, breathing human beings who just want to live right. They’re doing what they were told to do in an attempt to live right. Most people are harmless and they just want to sit in their corner and pray and hope for eternal life because we’re all in this miserable pit together.
The ones among them who would kill to rebuild a perfect world according to them, well. You might have more in common with them than you realize.
And that is sad.
I hope you see it, or I hope you have no success in what it is you’re calling for. I hope you’re all words and no action, and I hope that you bring no one to your cause. Not because I want you to hurt, but because I don’t want anyone else to hurt.
Some of us are intelligent enough to figure this whole thing out, at least I think. I’m not one of them, but I wish those that are all the best.
We have improved this world immensely through science, put your hope there please.