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Schooled by Trump, Americans are learning to dislike their allies

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  • G [email protected]

    Republicans are brainwashed. This sort of thing happens all the time with them, on almost every issue.

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    Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

    The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

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      Basically the plot of Terra Invicta.

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      Mostly, yeah.

      The White or Black aliens are a lot nicer than the Terra Invicta aliens. They only launch their invasion because the religious organization asks them to, and even then, the aliens don't hurt anyone intentionally.

      Looking at the Terra Invicta factions, they end up like this in White or Black:

      • Project Exodus never gets off the ground.
      • The Protectorate is absorbed into the Servants, as the Protectorate comes to believe that the Servants' methods are a better way to assert control over the human population.
      • The Initiative is wiped out during World War III. Remnants are absorbed into the Resistance and Humanity First.
      • As things get more desperate, the Resistance is absorbed into Humanity First.
      • The Academy leads a strong alliance of nations in the East, but they are ultimately absorbed into the Servants around ~2098.
      • Humanity First is greatly weakened in the early 22nd century, and nearly destroyed in the 23rd century, but small rebel factions continue to exist into the 27th century.
      • The Servants control the entire Earth by the early 22nd century, and they take big steps to assert their rule in the 23rd century. They are unambiguously the winner in the 27th century.
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      • W [email protected]

        I'm sure you can find many. I know I've seen dozens of examples of conservatives changing their opinions dramatically based on propaganda, while everyone else — the people not indoctrinated with a mental illness — stay relatively static; as in +/- 5% instead of 10-40%.

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        Yeah, that's exactly what I'm looking for, but my google-fu (or rather DDG-fu) is failing me. That's why I'm asking for help.

        You'd think an appropriate chart would come up in a simple image search and not require archive.org. I don't think it's been memory-holed; I think I can't figure out the right search terms.

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        • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

          https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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          Even democrats going up for canada huh? Fuck man it's hard not to just give up, it feels like there's just no hope for us.

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            Hope go isolationist like in past

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            Historically, that hasn't gone well the last couple times we have tried that.

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              Both are brainwashed, just in different ways. Republicans are wired for fear. Democrats are wired for passivity.

              The republican version is a lot more dangerous, but the democrat version is a lot more insidious.

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              Ive spent a lot of time in the states and i can tell you unequivocally that all americans afe haddwired for fear. You are extremely jumpy and paranoid people when compared to more modern nations.

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                Even democrats going up for canada huh? Fuck man it's hard not to just give up, it feels like there's just no hope for us.

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                Maybe the amount of Democrats that see Canada as an enemy is lower than the amount of Republicans that don't see Canada as an enemy. It's hard to tell from that graph.

                Additionally, the blue line seems to start ticking up around 2022. I don't remember if Trump was pushing anti Canada stuff back then, but if he wasn't, then it's probably due to something completely unrelated and possibly even reasonable.

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                  Maybe the amount of Democrats that see Canada as an enemy is lower than the amount of Republicans that don't see Canada as an enemy. It's hard to tell from that graph.

                  Additionally, the blue line seems to start ticking up around 2022. I don't remember if Trump was pushing anti Canada stuff back then, but if he wasn't, then it's probably due to something completely unrelated and possibly even reasonable.

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                  Could be around when there were Canadian trumpers and the whole trucker protest thing.

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                    Oh look, you can physically see the Democrat shift to the right on the chart.

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                    Not that I disagree with the idea of Democrats shifting right, but it’s a very small shift supported by very few data points. The line probably wouldn’t have changed much with more data. OTOH, the Republican spike is way too much to be an outlier.

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                      Ive spent a lot of time in the states and i can tell you unequivocally that all americans afe haddwired for fear. You are extremely jumpy and paranoid people when compared to more modern nations.

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                      Fyi, I'm not actually American myself. I agree with you otherwise however.

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                        Even democrats going up for canada huh? Fuck man it's hard not to just give up, it feels like there's just no hope for us.

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                        Join the EU! We like you and our respect for you has only gone up (excluding pp)

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                          Join the EU! We like you and our respect for you has only gone up (excluding pp)

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                          Unfortunately you think I'm the wrong nationality, I'm american.

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                          • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                            https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                            now do the same thing with Canadians about mericans . 90 degree upwards i'm guessing.

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                            • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                              https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                              There is a French saying that perfectly fits current situation :

                              You don't need enemies when you have this kind of friends.

                              Although I don't know if it's specifically French.

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                                Unfortunately you think I'm the wrong nationality, I'm american.

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                                We'll take any scientist, nurse and IT pro without a second thought.

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                                  https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                                  What I find surprising is that it was decreasing before, what happened in 2018?

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                                    We'll take any scientist, nurse and IT pro without a second thought.

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                                    I'm the IT pro of my circle but that just means I do self hosting as a hobby and it work for the 8 person company I work at since nobody else knows jack, I have no formal post secondary education.

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                                      What I find surprising is that it was decreasing before, what happened in 2018?

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                                      Probably tariff
                                      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-steel-aluminum-tariffs-canada-mexico-b2696606.html

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                                        https://archive.is/2025.04.01-221630/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2025/03/31/schooled-by-trump-americans-are-learning-to-dislike-their-allies

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                                        Are they fitting the curve on like 3 points for 24 and 25? I don't think it's untrue but why publish this with such a low-hanging fruit to delegitimize the argument

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                                        • bogasse@lemmy.mlB [email protected]

                                          There is a French saying that perfectly fits current situation :

                                          You don't need enemies when you have this kind of friends.

                                          Although I don't know if it's specifically French.

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                                          In English it's "With friends like these, who needs enemies?"

                                          Apparently coined by an early 20th century comedian, but I wouldn't put a lot of stock in that origin.

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